The way we have been taught, any thought of Christians He would live by the sword, (gun). in their assessment of Esau's character. A landmark N. of Judah (Joshua 15:10), W. of Kirjath Jearim and E. of Bethshemesh; the ridge between wady Aly and wady . NIV - back at Sinai. Remember how the Herods ruled Israel under the Romans? 2:12 I will surely assemble, O Jacob, all of thee; I will surely gather the remnant of Israel; Mount Seir is the high range from the S. of the Dead Sea to Elath N. of the gulf of Akabah, on the E. of the Arabah, or "the plain from Elath and Ezion Geber." . 70th week of Daniel? been destroyed. But the feud will end and in an epic way in times to come. bombing raids of incendiaries and high explosive charges. So it does not fit the bill here at all. Are Christians prepared to be initiated into the way of the sword and gun. Big bad Esau has long gone from these parts. Ezekiel 35:7 Thus will I make Mount Seir an astonishment and a desolation; and I will cut off from it him who passes through and him who returns. another highly sophisticated society will arise in the latter days, assume world dominion, Such a soul hates everyone around him. Then you will know that I am the Lord 7 I will make Mount Seir a desolate waste and cut off . The name Jacob means, "heel grasper" or "supplanter". ( II Chronicles 20:7-12 ) this genocide? in the days of Queen Esther. So we must take the time to do our homework and take this responsible action ourselves. A The area referred to as Mt. But any person of any race can become an Edomite by an adoption of that Edomite spirit. But still only These were "black" operations. the sovereign nation It is now becoming a matter of grave concern in our schools. Geocoding Is Even before the Assyrians came many had heard the prophets and decided to leave. So they won't know. prophesies that Esau will indeed be given his chance in history. But that is not the case. DELIVERANCE OF HIS ELECT AT THE SHEEPFOLDS OF BOZRAH. Was anything to be gained for the war effort against the German military machine by conducting 2:15,16. He will undergo a character change in the refining process. If this hasn't been enough 40 By your sword/(your gun) you shall live, Apocalypse or "unveiling" of our Messiah, Jesus Christ. Modern Jordan is a desert wasteland. The Edomite nurses his anger; he "keeps his wrath forever". This martial law policy was instituted in the war machine. So where are the Edomites today? Our own children are forgotten What is the meaning and significance of the Temple Mount. Seir in the Bible is called the Shara range today. back in Mesopotamia, the cradle of civilization. Because of this Obadiah the prophet Encampment in the desert, with Mount Seir in the distance. He ordered his army officers to slaughter of all the priests of Nob immediately. Under this horrific policy women and children were rounded up at gunpoint and penned In Revelation 17 and 18 we see a world system that the Bible calls Mystery Babylon. waged by whole countries against whole countries? the books. this a vignette of Esau at the very end, still refusing to repent? He prophesied over his firstborn son Isaac. Esau was that he would eventually Mount Seir is one of the most desolate places today. WHERE DID THEY GO? So even though people groups and nations are no longer to be found within their ancient borders invaded the Northern Kingdom of Israel in 722 B.C. They are gathered together They performed the wishes of Rome without any twinges of conscience. and their King shall pass before them, and the LORD on the head of them. Contains modified Copernicus Sentinel data 2019, Godot13. This great family feud came after the death of Solomon. They have gone on to other places. The lost ten tribes are no longer in Samaria. What can we say about the character of Esau? then historians can go ahead and write their epitaph, but not before. Doeg was a common soldier Well this much we know. Unlike their brethren in the lost ten tribes the people of the Jewish tribe, the tribe of Judah, Mount Seir is one of the most desolate places today. about modern nuclear warfare open a passage out of the sheepfold just as the new day is dawning. 9 I will make you a perpetual desolation, and your cities will . He took down what he wanted with the bow. Zondervan Illustrated Bible Backgrounds Commentary (2009): Zondervan Pictorial Bible Atlas (1972): page 67. Jacob is Esau's twin brother. What happened to them? much there at all except a barren wilderness and a And it worked in the The God of Israel established times to be mixed in among the citizens of some especially blessed and wealthy nations. a raging anger and wrath ourselves? We see a merciful smiling Allah one minute and righteous beheading Allah the next. It is difficult for us to face these unpleasant, even fearsome After many dispersions, persecutions, and migrations our Jewish brethren still retain the Torah, the Tenakh, I believe (Jer.30:7) The two (2Thes.2:3) In Gen 32:3, it's also called the land of Seir. against the people of God. They especially resent others They are penned up in some sort of exile in this mystery place of Bozrah. This would be a useless exercise. God alone will set the limits on his actions. They would not be brutal occupiers. Is it out of ignorance? It was because they had become bogged down in a guerrilla war waged from the air. It maligns and does a disservice to the Arabs. nitty gritty of setting up an American soon find reason to suspect that the spirit of Esau is very much with us today. 3. He is a profane man. imagination and is fed by a huge dreamworks industry of music, word and screen. While we can do little to prevent it is Esau and his MAD policy - Dan.11:41 get his food by taking it down as hunters do. This is a story that must be played that this present world system has dealt him the short straw or a "raw deal". And it will change! self-righteousness what can we say about It is the wild hustling exploiting spirit of Esau. enclosure that had kept his sheep penned up during the night. what are we to surmise The Edomites of the Genesis 14:6 And the Horites in their mount Seir, unto Elparan, which is by the wilderness. Americans by nature are a people who cherish freedom and fair play. for that day is great, so that none is like it: his brother Jacob of the newly formed state of Israel. They will seek the Truth and find Him. Nor will He abandon His own. The spirit of Esau is a parasite upon the souls of men. Mount Seir is also given as the location where the remnants "of the Amalekites that had escaped" were annihilated by five hundred Simeonites (1 Chronicles 4:4243). They were unwilling or unable to dominate the Vietnamese civilian Hebrew picture story? Others do not need to know. It's in southern Jordan where the city of Petra is located. And unlike the Edomites the Old Testament prophecies present a happier final outcome for the Arabs who are primarily the children of Ishmael, Abraham's son through Hagar. Being an Edomite is a matter of character and a certain jaded or negative disposition to God and to anyone who upholds As the nations begin to rage as we approach the end of the age And the sons of Seir; Lotan, and Shobal, and Zibeon, and Anah, and Dishon, and Ezer, and Dishan. The nations and his business or work partners, or those who are in authority over him. We have the end-time prophetic scriptures of Edom in Daniel 7:21, Micah 2:12,13, and He is a profane personality, a man of the flesh. Clint Eastwood in the "spaghetti westerns" and his main role character This is an incredible story of a divine deliverance that beggars description. Because of the small dataset, it's best to use this chart for general trends; if one identification is trending much higher than the others (in this case, region around Jebel esh Shera), then you can probably have higher confidence in the identification. Esau was different. They ruled over the Jewish nation in Judea with an iron fist. We see his image plastered all over the movie billboards. And the blessing promised 8 I will fill its mountains with the slain; those killed by the sword will fall on your hills, in your valleys, and in all your ravines. He is surely coming. He realized that Remember the genocide committed by Herod in Bethlehem? including the asphalt roads, were all burning as a huge single mass of flames? The eventual outcome was inevitable. The lost ten tribes of Israel were the first to leave. to become angry at God and other covenant partners such as his spouse or sexual partner, As Yair Davidiy and Steven Collins have documented so well Esau wants HIS notion of freedom. have seen in this past century and particularly in recent times we shall This wasn't always 2. The prophet Daniel gives us some reason to think that this might be the case. Rap and hard rock music is pervasive, brutish men are in deliverance of His own. did have some significant 'success'. No such proof of extinction can be offered concerning the Edomites. in Judah's own land of Judea. Ezekiel 35:7 New International Version (NIV). Esau sold his birthright to Jacob for a mess of pottage. This page attempts to identify all the possible locations where this biblical place could be. In this act of spiritual neglect he showed that he had very little interest in his spiritual inheritance. Jacob was somewhat of a shyster and trickster. So the human hearts over which it rules remain "unforgiven". That means we might expect to find these hustlers and predatory people of modern It all erupted at the Breach of Jeroboam around 920 B.C.. 70th week or seven year period of Could they take up a role as wardens of God's people during The children of Esau, the Edomites, battled against the Horites and destroyed them (Deuteronomy 2:45, 12, 22). So here we are attempting to trace another important people group, the Edomites. appear to be in some sort of exile or captivity together. to concentrate on hitting military They are brethren to the Jews but do not know it yet. Dresden until the whole city, Ezekiel 35:6 therefore as surely as I live, declares the Lord GOD, I will give you over to bloodshed and it will pursue you. disdain for the mores of general decency and consideration for others they The American 8th Air Force bombed by day and British Bomber It may also have marked the older historical limit of Ancient Egypt in Canaan. wild man), and break loose and you will tear his yoke from off your neck." In Biblical times this was the land of Edom. The prophet Jeremiah spoke of "the time of Jacob's trouble". He lives by the sword or by force sanctioning brutal tactics and the establishment of martial law in the Transvaal. must have seen something in the man that disturbed them. Nor have the children of Esau ceased from So here is the bottom line. again suffered the destruction of the temple and the city of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.. The Babylonians have grown up and moved out. Mount Seir will become desolate. the Boer farmers were using guerrilla tactics. restoration of Israel. So what is the message here in this intriguing Are the children of Esau still to be found in the wastelands south of the Dead Sea? Are we living in the millennial kingdom at the present time? Are the children of Esau just a memory? In this case Beth-gamul would be identical with Jemail, 8 miles East of Dibon, and Beth-meon with Ma`in, Southwest of Medebah.W. You will recall that in Saul's army. ranging soul. In the Book of Numbers, the prophet Balaam, predicting Israelite victories over the Trans-Jordanian nations at the end of their Exodus from Egypt, stated "Edom shall be a possession; Seir also, his enemies, shall be a possession" (Numbers 24:18). Jewish/Messianic and the gentile "ekklesia"/"called out congregation"/church remnant),-Gal.3:29, cannot be found just by looking in their old haunts by the Euphrates River They are located in the modern day map of Syria. Isaiah Doeg drew his sword and killed all the priests there at Nob. Is the warfare now between our Edomites and the Edomites of our enemies? Isaac told Esau, powers could it be possible that we might be likely to be drawn into Where are the Edomites today? The Arabs are destined for ultimate redemption. to do with us as Christians today? of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He will bring wrath on His enemies. The spirit of Esau lives on in the lives of many people. Is it possible that the Edomites continued to track along with all the lost tribes of Israel basking under the birthright blessings of Israel That will just be the place where the investigations begin. See Dan.7:21, Dan. Sex and violence permeates the entertainment industry. that highway with connections north and south from Israel will be a channel of great blessing, far and above what we have already seen The Lord GOD will fill its mountains with the slain, on the hills and in the valleys and all their ravines. Their connection to the Caucasus Mountains, the Gates of Gog, And once they break free of that bloodthirsty Islamic moon worship of Allah things will turn around for them, and gloriously so. shirts, they will trample the usual standards of law and order. Drug pushers in the "hood" are capturing the imagination Freedom and police states just don't go together too well. God states the truth of the matter. He has given us the Holy Scriptures. There is also another Seir mountain near Hebron which, according to Joshua 15:10, was allotted to the tribe of Judah, near the modern town of Sa'ir in the West Bank of the Palestinian territories. Esau and the nation of Edom is not just an ancient history. He became personal to us when we were "born again". in the rush for material things. It was the place of Esau's The Boers were Whatever the reason, this information on the re-emergence of This information is for fathers and young men only. (those "onerous chains of bondage" to Jacob's "straight" life), Mount Seir was the land of Edom, the ancient land of Esau, the brother of Jacob. And yet the Bible clearly speaks of a resurgence of the very same worldly spirit of Babylon. It seems we have good end-time Mystery Babylon by poking around the ruins of the ancient city arise to prominence among the antagonists of the Judeo-Christian people. Then too Americans, being freedom loving people, were unprepared initiate martial law in Vietnam. As for Esau's spiritual and/or physical descendants just Micah sees Him as He breaks 5 Because you have had an ANCIENT HATRED and have shed the blood of the . And from the scholarship of Yair Davidiy and Stephen Collins we know that lost ten tribes migrated west. He remains "unforgiven". All the 12 tribes of Jacob, the entire remnant elect of God are there. Unless he repents, he cannot be saved from the wrath to come. The land must be occupied like France, Denmark, Norway, and the Netherlands were in World War 2. It may be identical with Buceirah, which lies about 7 miles Southwest of Tufileh, on the main road to Petra. But the scriptures clearly indicate that such a campaign will not be successful. I will stretch out My hand against you and make you a desolate waste. And yes, there is some truth to the present day Palestinian-Edomite connection. 2 Chronicles 25:11 chapter context similar meaning copy save. He will be setting the limits to adverse events on behalf of His covenant people. The Romans found the Edomites very useful in executing their Macchiavellian rule. And why are so many Americans doing this today? with us right through to the His descendents were the the children of Ammon and Moab which during Old Testament times sought to dispossess the children of Israel of the promised land that was their inheritance from God. All the tribes of Jacob, (this would include all of the combined He prefers to hunt and to expressing themselves in the nations. In ancient times Bozrah was a city near the Dead Sea. In essence he was a man of the home and hearth. Now I will rejoice at yours! being around for the climax of this age sounds depressing. Command sent the Lancasters over for "area bombardment" of He is not interested in seeking out the blessings that come from the God of Israel. and the flames roared in towards the center of the city. But his genocidal fury was still unabated. in southern Israel two millennia ago. - Obadiah 1:18. I will put them together as the sheep of Bozrah, as the flock in the midst of their fold: And the prophet Ezekiel wrote in Ezekiel 35:7-9: "Thus I will make Mount Seir most desolate, and cut off from it the one who leaves and the one who returns. Their final judgment was prophesied over them by the prophet Obadiah the God of Jacob? Did Esau have a holy city? The Edomites live on. The Hebrew schools preserved the Hebrew language,and the Old Testament scriptures. "Your blessing and dwelling shall all come from the fruitfulness of the earth We trust "authorities" to tell us the truth. 1. Vote Up The spirit of Esau is insatiable in committing acts of murderous By your sword, (gun), you shall live and serve He'd rather be out hunting! We can discern their spirit and sense their presence as it impacts our culture. Burckhardt counted 40 cities in Jebal all now desolate. See Hebrews chapter 11. Edom, Edomites, hill country of Seir, mountain of Seir, Mount Seir, Seir, Seirites. few very humble nomadic people wandering through it. He sneered at culture. There were exceptions to this. and the dew of the heavens above. Esau's big moves are yet future. It is not just a matter of DNA or ancestral lineage And where is Edom today? It is now the spoken language What are some exciting discoveries in biblical archaeology? His coming back to earth again is our blessed hope. He was a hunter, a roving man of the open fields. Vital people groups tend to migrate in their histories, exploring lands across oceans and migrating on to more favorable places. It appears that anger against Jacob will indeed be a part of the end-time global scenario. Back in those times the Americans were unwilling to institute a police state He would rather name what he wants and claim it, then grab it by force of his own human presence. into the end-time we must know that. (Mal.1:3) But nevertheless, Isaac's blessing Have we not seen this throughout former church history? 4 I will lay thy cities waste, and thou shalt be desolate, and thou shalt know that I am the LORD. The war was unpopular and under close scrutiny by a free unembedded press. The latter half is known as the time of Jacob's trouble. These were just onerous chores to him. with geneologies, bloodlines, and DNA. vengeance to terminate the Great Tribulation and terminate Esau's end-time dominance at the Mystery Bozrah But they are within new borders as citizens of some very rich and prosperous countries, notably the nations of the West. - Gen.27:40, If the Edomites are around today might they In the Middle East we are and fits of anger and the people close to him are at greatest risk for his domestic violence. So Esau is forever angry. Deuteronomy 2:5 don't contend with them; for I will not give you of their land, no, not so much as for the sole of the foot to tread on; because I have given Mount Seir to Esau for a possession. Isaac's blessing on Esau was very clear. Translated Names: Edom, Edomites, hill country of Seir, mountain of Seir, Mount Seir, Seir, Seirites: Type: mountain range: Notes: often a synonym for Edom: . They have apparently locked the Edomites up in ancient history and thrown away the key. These people have a wonderful future. Since 1948 the Jews are back in the land in Israel. Up until the 20th century nearly all of the Jews remained out there in the Diaspora prophecy of Isaac over his son Esau. men in black are gaining popularity. Here is our scripture from Micah 2:12.13. He doesn't have time for the holy things of God. - 1Sam.22:16-19. Genocide of good people and innocent unborn babes and infants See this article. The land of Israel, having lost all 12 tribes, was re-named 'Palestine' after the Philistines, Being wild at heart and a hustler was a badge of honor to him. Bad means good and young ladies give bad guys the Esau. bombing campaigns against German cities were genocidal. Mount Seir still exists today, however, it is known by its Arabic name, Jibl ash-Sharh. How can we be sure Esau will rise again to prominence in the Holy history still awaits the of the latter days spoken of in Holy Scripture.. geography of that people. And despite his shifty nature he took responsibility in calling his family and others into that devotion. He rejects God's promises. of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Joseph brings to men and to the Western nations. Oh yes, it certainly was. This outrage by Archaeological Encyclopedia of the Holy Land (1990): Cornerstone Biblical Commentary (2008-2012): HarperCollins Atlas of Bible History (2008). Contrary to what pre-trib Bible prophecy teachers No. That ancient ruin, contrary to what some are saying, will never be rebuilt. that will rise up to assume a key role in the end-time drama. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it. Seir is used as a euphemism for Edom. So where does Esau finally end up? They have a deep spiritual problem which cannot be resolved without accepting the inner rule of Messiah. And Bible teachers are also silent about the significance of the Messiah can be stopped. the Edomite, who lived back in the time of David. Thus will I make mount Seir most desolate, and cut off from it him that passeth out and him that returneth. These were his own countrymen, his own priests! None of them were shown any mercy whatsoever. required to bring in the global rulership necessary for peace. Vote Up This was against the orders of the Roman general Titus. Is this last day apostasy an expression of anger against the covenant of German occupation of France and Europe during World War 2. Bible scholars who make any such assertion are being highly presumptuous. His covenant with the nation of Israel. After the Breach of Jeroboam they had disavowed allegiance to their King in Judah. We can certainly see that same rebellious and bullying spirit rising in our Western culture today. He preferred to 'take down' what he wanted in the wild. foremost? Here is how it happened. The Edomites were Esau's descendants. Can he be stopped by force of arms? the Edomites will be found in 1380 BC). Was the policy 'successful' in bringing the war to a close? And you shall serve/(be subject to) your brother; And it shall come to pass, when you become restless, 14 "This is what the Sovereign Lord says: The whole world will rejoice when I make you desolate. This is just as Isaac prophesied. Read Ezekiel (NKJV) Read Ezekiel 35:7 (NKJV) in Parallel New Living Translation for Ezekiel 35:7 7 Thus will I make mount Seir most desolate, and cut off from it him that passeth out and him that returneth. - Titus 2:13 They were not prepared to carry out the orders necessary out once and for all. They carry people across oceans and seas and see them migrate These new "unforgiven" They were scattered again by the Romans in the following years. As we discern the spirit of Esau in the scriptures including women and children, perished in the firestorms of Before the emergence of the Israelite kingdoms and of Edom, with Mount Seir standing on the Edomite side of the border, this range marked the southeastern border of Egyptian Canaan (Late Bronze Age). the signs of this changing of the guard. This policy was instituted by the German Gestapo and it was very successful. And where are the people of this Mystery Babylon to be found? He scorns his spiritual 4 I will lay thy cities waste, and thou shalt be desolate, and thou shalt know that I am the Lord. break free of his brother Jacob and come to prominence in his own right. But far abroad. We know that discernment of spirits is one of 40 By your sword/(your gun) you shall live, All rights reserved. Esau's ancient homeland is now a He has little patience for waging spiritual war will be coming to us in the future. And this matter of the Edomites will no longer just ancient history. blood feud with the house of Judah. Dear saints, it is important that we know and understand that But they do exist! Isaiah sees Him return at the Bozrah/sheepfolds, a pastoral town in the ancient He says He hates him. in the politico-religiou marketplace and be easy for Westerners to swallow. precious to him? So the Babylonian Empire ceased to exist as such. in Vietnam. at the character of Doeg hustler, predator and "bad guy". He is surely coming. "the people of the prince, (the Antichrist), who is to come" unfolded It was a call to slaughter all the holy priests of Israel that were in that town. [1] This is suggested by the description of the military campaign undertaken in Canaan by Ramses III (r. 11861155 BCE), and possibly also by the Amarna letter EA 288, if "the land of eru" is to be understood to mean Seir.
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