Chapters are as followed: Prologue The Crime of the Century An Aura of Danger The Golden Penetrators The Holes in Helter Skelter Amnesia at the L.A. County Sheriff's Office Who Was Reeve Whitson? It's all bullcrap, I may not be a believer in Helter Skelter being the motive but some of these conspiracy theories are beyond ridiculous, Reeve knew where all the bodies were buried, and who was involved. I came to your office,Q And you were there with a man named Reeves Witson?A:Yes.Q:He is a friend of yours?A:Yes.Q:And I had a conversation with you about this man who walked up in front of the Tate residence?A:Yes, you did.Q:Did I show you some photographs?A:Yes.This is the second time:RONALD HUGHES:Were you called in by Mr. Bugliosi? Hopefully I can get on in the next couple of days. Or better yet, he's like "The Flash". But you can get some meaty details right here. hbbd```b`` WA$#. Winifred Chapman claims the flag was there so either you take the word of a murderess or the flag was on the couch when Chapman left on Friday afternoon and then put back by whoever went back to the scene, perdonallp I believe it was there and Krenwinkels goofy ass didn't notice it or just plain lied, like Harold True said "Krenwinkel carries her brains in a lunchbox" lol. Reeve finally returned home late that night, but never said where he was during the hours he was missing.Whitson told Frank Rosenfelt, former president and CEO of MGM, that he met Manson before the murders at Cielo Drive, and the murders could have been prevented, but no one in law enforcement would listen to him. The Zodiac Killer and the CIA An agent for the Central Intelligence Agency moved into a dairy and cotton farming community of 4500 people situated within the San Joaquin Valley of California. They do a lot of illegal, ugly things against man's law, and against God's law. I hate him too. He didn't "bring" Hatami. I knew this long before O'Neill's book came out. Krenny later testified that she was sure the American Flag on the sofa wasn't there during the murders.And the scene was littered with marijuana and cocaine, even though no residues of those drugs were found in the body fluids of the dead.I am now thinking those items were planted at the scene to subtly demonize the victims and to enable police to go off on their sham 'drug burn' diversion. A:Yes, I dictated a conversation and under the disclosure order I gave you a copy of my conversation with HatamiQ:I am taliking about when you were vis-a-visA:No, there was no one else there, just Reeves Witson, myself and Mr. Hatami, no other reporter thereQ:Like the court reporter here? Really? He did this throughout the 60s and 70s. That = A BUM! 'Nuff said.Melcher moved out of Cielo Drive in December of 1968. I saw footage of Manson the other day claiming he'd gone up to the Tate house before Chapman arrived to "see what my children had done." What can anyone remember about a place they went yesterday, and I mean detail specific ? Who is he again ? Perhaps Manson thought he could recruit me at some point?Who knows?But I will tell you this. TJ ? What mystery within a mystery gnaws at you the most? Anderson was a known handler of CIA operatives after he left government in the early 60s. In the case of Sharon's car, it didn't really matter because the book came out 3 years after the perps were convicted, 5 years after the crime was solved. Grim said"Ask yourself what it logically means to have "witnesses that vouch for Whitson's presence in the scene." Or Sonny Reevwhit.Or Reevie Sonwhit. . Knowing that his son was going to 10050 Cielo Drive the night before and because of reports that one of the bodies was unidentified (Steve Parent), his worried father called the police. (For his part, in an interview with Mr.Hatami while researching this book, Hatami told me he has no memory at all of Manson coming to the front door of Cielo Drive, but that the memory was suggested to him by an investigator named Reeve Whitson, who worked for both Col.Paul Tate and the prosecutor Vince Bugliosi. Lazy, perhaps. EL-KABONG! I also was conscious of not rehashing and repeating myself, especially when many of the issues that were brought up, I'd commented on endlessly over the past 4 years. "*Winifred Chapman, presumably.Greg King's book quoting BUGLIOSI : Mrs CHAPMAN told police investigators that it had simply been placed on the back of the couch as a decorative touch a few weeks earlier .Sharon Tate Remembered by Sheila WellsThe red, white and blue nursery colors reminded me of reading about the murder scene and how there was an American flag draped over Sharon's sofa. Ill bet Sanders is correct. It's a similar story regarding where the LaBiancas lived, what with all the rumours and theories about Leno moaning about the noise from Harold True's house or chewing out Charlie ~ when a bit of checking will reveal that it never happened. That is a great question, Katie. O'Neill's information on Whitson provides strong support for the proposition that military and intelligence agencies were involved in the Tate LaBianca murders, bringing the CIAs Phoenix program of assassination and torture of Vietnamese non-combatants home to America. I wonder where Moorehouse got a baby grand. And then there was the investigation he helped Col. Tate conduct. He's interesting because he's made up or at least his story is, it's a figment of someone's imagination, I laughed just as hard at this as I did at David Berkowitzs claim of his neighbors dog telling him to kill lol. What I'm getting at is that so many people have said so many things over the years and so often, information has been confused, mis-stated, misconstrued and people have projected something as fact when there has been no evidence to support it or any finding of proof. He was involved in the two Kennedy assassinations as well as the MLK assassination, the CIA in Operation Bluebird, biker gangs and worked at Lookout Mountain Air Force Station at the top of Laurel Canyon. pg201"Reeve was my main person to help me," PJ Tate said. Reeve Whitson was a major player in the Laurel Canyon scene. They might have even overcome such dimunitive females as Susan and Katie. I can't believe people are trashing O'Neill's book. He got a call from Reeve Whitson at 7:00 in the morning, a full NINETY minutes before Winifred Chapman arrived at the Cielo houseYou do realize that if this is true, that Hatami witheld crucial information from the Police, went on the stand and testified in a trial and basically stood by while someone was tried and sentenced to death and now is happy for all the world to know this !However, I am not disputing O'Neill's sources. When he said it, it seemed credible. Reeve Whitson of Ireland in action during his singles match on the final day of the Boys Home Internationals at Hankley Common Golf Club on August 6,. Read up on their history. I have these numbers from ONeills book in reference to Hatami and Whitson: 22239, 14483, 14508, 14542, 14554There's nothing connected with him on page 22239 ~ that's Squeaky's testimony. Eventually he did begin the process of revoking Manson's status. He also knew Charles Manson. Chaos reads like a bad spy novel CIA spooks MK Ultra Manchurian candidates really just ridiculousEven the interesting parts such as why Manson's parole was never revoked after all of his arrests for some fairly serious crimes went nowhere we've all heard this before I was hoping maybe the reasons would finally be expained but never where don't waste your money there's plenty of really good book's on the subject I believe my collection on the subject is right around 30 books, The craziest thing is 30 books is just the tip of the iceberg, I'd bet if one of the real experts in the TLB community sat down for a few hours and listed them there would be at least 150, if you added magazine articles, movies, TV specials, musical recordings, podcasts, you'd be at 1000 or more. And this has been going on since the start of 2017. Why would a person working in a top-secret division of the CIA give his real name and identity out to almost everyone? It's almost inevitable, however, even if only in a small way but I get wary eventually, if I find myself saying the same thing again and again.Incidentally, big thanks to you for mentioning the "Inside the Manson jury" book by Herman Tubick. He was connected with Nazis, top US Gov. According to Bugliosi, p. 85, the time was between 7:30 and 8:00. "Hatami told me he has no memory at all of Manson coming to the front door of Cielo Drive, but that the memory was suggested to him by an investigator named Reeve Whitson, who worked for both Col. Paul Tate and the prosecutor Vince Bugliosi." The only reference to a Reeve Whitson online is to a CIA operative active in central America in the '80s. He's never going to be executed but hopefully he will suffer a long painful death. When Manson and one of his CIA handlers, Reeve Whitson, rearranged the Tate murders crime scene before anyone else got there, they were literally setting the stage for the upcoming theatrical production. The police report mentioned above said that Dareff was at the house to deal in drugs.I bring this up because I believe the occupants in the house were given lethargy-inducing drugs to reduce their will to resist, perhaps LSD tainted with an animal tranquillizer. Has anyone considered the possibility that Whitson was working for Peter Folger (Abigails Dad)?We know Mr. Folger was having Abigail watched by private detectives because he was very worried about her "associations." He had none. Moorehouse said hed lived at Cielo off and on throughout the summer of 68, when Melcher was there. Not the bad eye, the good eye. More to come in O'Neill's updated version of CHAOS next year. I'm not getting that from Helter Skelter, I'm getting that from Candace Bergen's auto-bio. Grim said,The most immediate thing to notice is that Hatami only mentions Whitson once and even then, only because he's asked who he came to Bugliosi's office with. He saw Reeve later that night.Since Reeve Whitson was at the house the night before the murders, when was he there? Let's try Whit Reevson. As I said on the other blog, the other day I hate Bittaker with a passion. This will always be among the alternatives greatest weakness ~ plus the sheer number allied with the non existence of hard corroborative evidence. I wouldn't base any findings on what she says. They had dinner at the restaurant and left about 9:45. ONeill also was given access to never-before-seen documents showing that DeCarlo said that Melcher made three visits to Spahn Ranch after the murders and spoke with Manson. His daughter is a Bluebird survivor and her memories are returning in fractured pieces. ", Lol "an impressive list of witnesses who vouch for him", all I see is one firmer film company president saying only "he knew about the Manson case", "Richard and Rita Edlund" whoever the fuck they were, Neil Cummings "a lawyer friend" of Whitsons (again WOW!! I've been reading a lot of British footballers autobiographies over the last 18 months and it never ceases to amaze me how people aren't even aware of the dates of certain events in their own lives or the results of matches they are commenting on. Kay told him that Manson and Watson had been to the Cielo house when Terry Melcher and Candace Bergen were there. Hatami mentioned the name Reeve Whitson four times in his testimony at the Manson trial. Whenever I went over to Sharon's and I'd see the flag there, I'd tell her it wasn't right. Grim, in the comment I posted above, I mentioned Dennis Hurst. Then Ashley explores mystery man Reeve Whitson and his connection to the case, before taking a closer look at the operations conducted by the CIA and FBI in the Los Angeles and San Francisco areas during the 1960s. It's a matter of public record, I've seen the court documents but I don't remember where, I think those were the same charges Dean and Tex borrowed Melchers car to drive to court for. A lot of people who were involved in this event are dead now, some won't talk and others have spoken of what they know. Retweets. I've always been a massive skeptic- ironically I'm a huge fan of Bugliosi's Reclaiming History. "Not every detail in "Helter Skelter" is correct. Evelle Younger worked with CIA agents Manny Pena and Enrique Hernandez on the RFK assassination case just a year prior to the Tate murders. As anybody who has been within shouting distance of me over the past 2 years know, I consider Tom O'Neill's CHAOS: Charles Manson, the CIA, the Secret Histor. Well Grim, your fan club is calling. After reading Chaos, I find Wilson to be a very compelling figure in the Manson case. It didn't seem to be a secret when it should have been A search of Whitson's extended acrobatic family shows a connection with the OSS, and CIA in their foreign travels with the USO. "pg201"Reeve was my main person to help me," PJ Tate said. Extensive research and a slew of FOIA requests did not produce a smoking gun or much beyond the shadowy, ill-explained presence around these events of Reeve Whitson, an alleged "intelligence operative." O'Neill also examines the CIA program MKULTRA, which may have gotten him closer to his goalbut not much. According to the manuscript, Helder told Whitson to cozy up to anyone who knew Frykowskis suppliers, especially those in Mama Casss circleDoesn't this contradict your belief though ? I don't see how O'Neill could have put that in his text without appearing overly pedanticYeah, I can see that. Ridgways victims were my age, I was in high school through most of it. Did Statman swipe it from Lt Deemer when she stole all the other stuff from his house? Extracting Reeve Whitson from this fermentan agent of actual chaos working hard in the shadows of Bugliosi's drug-crazed Helter Skelter psychodramaconstitutes a heroic act of sleuthing.. They weren't there particularly long and so people trying to weave the "someone rearranged the scene afterwards" line of thought is onto a loser if they try to utilize the memories of the killers and how they left the scene. Ridgeway was an asshole, there was a great part during his trial where one of his victims father's stands up in open court and forgives him and Gary breaks down weeping uncontrollably, it's heartbreaking on both sides, Beauders in an interesting twist to the Ridgeway/Green River case detectives Dave Riechert and Bob Keppel went to Florida to interview Ted Bundy since alot of his victims were in the same area and killed in similar ways, this was fairly early in the case in 1984 and one of the first things Bundy recommended was staking out a fresh dump site and watch it for a few days and that Ridgeway would be back to interact with the corpse which was one of the hallmarks of Bundy's crimes and was also exactly what Ridgeway was doing. Speaking of Dean Moorehouse at Cielo Drive, I thought the following quotes in Tom O'Neill's article "The Holes in Helter Skelter" show that he was indeed at the house but during the summer of 1968.Tom O'Neill writes:But when had Moorehouse taken up residence in the Cielo Home? My friend's father was an ACE pilot who could supply anything covert. What kind of honest, upstanding man does that with his daughter?If you want to point fingers at child molesters, go ahead, but I think a special finger should be pointed at a father who farms his own daughter out to child molesters!! And life just gets more better and more clearer! He was probably there for the bike delivery, the hippie van delivery and at El Coyote dining. According to Sanders, p. 197, Hurst delivered the bicycle between 6:30 and 7:00. The Reeve Whitson character is intriguing, and I just don't know what to make of Sharon Tate's father. His daughter is a Bluebird survivor and her memories are returning in fractured pieces. He was living with his parents in Los Angeles. . LAPD were looking for Hatami at the request of Bugliosi because Bugliosi wanted to know if what Rudi Altobelli had told him about Manson turning up at his pad and having been sent there by the people at the main house {and 4 of the 5 Cielo victims were at the house that day} could be corroborated; Bugliosi obviously couldn't get corroboration from Sharon, Jay, Gibbie and Wojiciech and Altobelli had mentioned that he thought Hatami was there that day.Whitson went to Bugliosi's office with Hatami as a friend of Hatami. Sheilah nodded. In spite of his disclaimer to Rosenfelt, I think he was part of the plot to kill them and subsequently got involved in the subsequent cover-up of the role of the CIA and military intelligence in the murders. Whitson told him that Sharon and four others were dead. That is how I was able to write a 1200 page encyclopedia on Manson, etc. He was not very intelligent an IQ around 85 he was a savant to murder instinctively knew how to kill and get rid of bodies. Whitson could have gone into the house after Manson and his partner left, perhaps to perform necessary but mundane tasks such as removing bugs from the telephone and/or other places before the police arrived. My desire is to share info about Whitson and my friend's father to discover the alias her father was using back then. In fact, it's Bugliosi that brings out the fact that Whitson was with Hatami and his part in all the proceedings is as relevant as any flies that may have been in the office at the time. Well (1) the flag was there and (2) I don't know why that's a point of conjecture and (3) I've still never heard of Reeve Whitson. 'We were introduced to Art Linklater, and we were also given tickets for a show by Reeve, where, during the interval, we met Andrew Lloyd Webber and Sarah Brightman backstage in their dressing room,' Alistair told me. And it just so happens to be from a case that has given rise to so many alternative theories and conspiracies and not a great deal of consensus about anything. Either way it's impressive. He GAVE his daughter to Manson. When I went to The Fireside Inn that night to see him play his guitar & sing, there were 4 girls oowing & ahhhing with his every move. CIA was all over the first famous killer, Manson, like flies on shit. What does that prove ? "Yes, it's true, there was a flag draped over the back of the sofa. The funniest thing is "Whitson" knows about the murders a full hour before Chapman and who is the first person he tells? "I did not mean the 'scene' of the crime, rather the general milieu around crime scene before and after. saidI think it's fair to say that a career criminal with high recidivism like Manson would have had stringent parole conditionsNot if you take into account 2 things > a] the things Manson had actually gone to jail for in the 50s and b] It was the authorities that paroled him. Not now, however. Mr. O'Neil proposes that Charlie may have been used as a pawn to catch bigger fish, this theory alone really makes this story much bigger. While I'm impressed by the civility here, it surprises me that so many people are dismissive of Reeve Wilson's role. When I think of those kinds of things, I actually start to get scared. Correction of typo:[He said] it was impossible that hed move into the Cielo house in January 1969O'Neill's article can be found on the internet, or you can read about Moorehouse in O'Neill's book on pages 116-119. L`L,3`v]fUn,^/ {N n^{a "2d`5`,/ f30ul#9@ o+ 0 Mario George Nitrini 111 saidPlease check-out the comments from this blog-post "leave-something-witchy" pertaining to comments by myself, Bobby, & Ms Katie regarding "The Construction Site"I did read that at the time. View the profiles of people named Reeve Whitson on Facebook. That clears things up. I am considering just putting it online and having a donation fixture. I traced Whitson online. I came to your officeQ:You will have to talk up a little more loudlyA Yes. One should remember, it was dark, most of them were unfamiliar with where they were and they weren't exactly studying the scene. I agree Beauders. Rick Dalton got Susan with the flamethrower and Cliff Booth smashed Krenwinkels face into the phone, fireplace mantle, glass picture on the wall and the coffee table so it's all good. I would love to publish my book but I wrote it a certain way and don't want it to be cut up amd I don't want to be sued. I found Whitson to be the most interesting of the characters that O'Neill presented. Even Sharon Tate's father, Paul Tate, was a former Colonel in Military Intelligence and conducted his own investigation. left. He had a reason to believe something weird was about to happen at the [Tate] house. [He said] to was impossible that hed move into the Cielo house in January 1969, for one simple reason: he gone to prison then. I'm almost endlessly fascinated by the number of people who seem to have made it their life's mission to discount the overwhelming evidence that demonstrates that for the most part, things were as they were shown to be. It came out in the Watson trial and it was Bugliosi that brought it out. TY, https://zodiackilleridentified.com/2021/07/. He also knew Charles Manson. One learns again that the jury were not sunshine supermen but flawed characters, just like us. According to Bugliosi, p. 85, the time was between 7:30 and 8:00. I'll research it and test it and weigh it up and shake it to bits ~ and I insist that people do likewise with what I say.Mon Durphy said Kay, I'd like to sit down in a bar one night and listen to some stories, he seems like a really nice guyI know what you mean about him, I kind of agree but, he definitely has had issues for almost half a century where Bugliosi is concerned Well grimtraveller,nice to see you're in top form being skeptical about me..lol.You say grim:"Well, the obvious question to me would be "why would he be talking about a race war to a complete stranger in January of 1969 ? In order for me to know "better" you need to stop speaking in riddles and like Nehemiah, say it straight and say it straight where you're blogging ! Of the 9 people you mention, one of them says Whitson was there. Newly unearthed audio of Manson admitting he was part of a special "Federal Protection Program" when he was released from Terminal Island in March 1967 proves Tom O'Neill's contention there was a hands off policy towards Manson prior to the TLB killings. As soon as they got home, Abigail spoke to her mother on the phone around 10:00. Grim said: But it's not true. hb`````fc`e`-bb@ ! 00 10(tl Reeve Whitson slept on a cot in his parents' kitchen, drove a Pinto, and left unpaid hospital bills when he died. I can't say if that means anything with regard to conspiracy or governmental involvement, but parole violations require neither crime nor conviction. Grim glad youre back, where have you been?Odd coincidence do you guys know the judge in the Green River Killer, Gary Ridgway was Richard Jones, Quincy Jones brother. He also confirmed a detail from Ed Sanders The Family that Melcher had let him borrow his Jaguar for the long drive to Ukiah.So Buglisois timeline was wrong and Melcher lied to me. This cannot be correct. But your opinion isn't the one that counted circa '67~'69. I mean, to this day, you will find many people parroting it as fact and creating all kinds of mysteries as a result. He didn't apply for it. I've never heard of this Reeve guy in my life, and I've been studying this case for years. In the Sanders book that I have it says Hearst delivered the bike between 6.30 and 7.30 which, according to Hearst is accurate as he testified arriving "about 7.00pm" and left "about 7.20. Little Paul ?If I come across as harsh, I don't mean to. I read Chaos, and while O'Neill was unable to connect many dots, much of what he discovered was fascinating. I'd be willing to buy it if you ever put just a amateurish copy of it together, at 1200 pgs it sounds like you've got alot of content in it, what would make it EXTRA special is if it was indexed, so often I've found myself looking for info on a specific person, date, place, incident, quote, etc and then having to Wade through a million google entries that go nowhere and in the case of some of the minutia of the case not being able to find anything at all on it, Also by "amateurish" I don't mean the content of it but the presentation, I'm not looking for anything put together by a professional publishing company or anything. He lived in 1940, at address, Indiana. He was driving a VW van. He was living with all kinds of people because he didn't want to work and earn a living. "That was Sharon. Their successors are illegal domestic NOCs at video game and social media suppliers, and APA handlers. katie8753 said"I've still never heard of Reeve Whitson.Who was Reeve Whitson? It seems like a lot of cases have a central question and a bunch of smaller ones. Basically a long winded version of what I said, Chapman said it was there. According to Sanders, p. 197, Hurst delivered the bicycle between 6:30 and 7:00. I can imagine him being scared shitless, looking out of a window, realizing something VERY bad was going down, and just shutting down. The Family only first heard about HS on new years eve 1968. Other than Gregg Jacobson and Stephanie Schram's sister, virtually no one outside the Family {or close contacts like Juan Flynn} has a pre~August '69 concept of HS. I did not mean the 'scene' of the crime, rather the general milieu around crime scene before and afterI wondered about that but it works either way. Oh Mario I wasn't even talking about you! It's much more factual than Helter Skelter. Is Moorehouse still alive? A.F.S., Colonia Dignidad, von Braun, Kissinger, Ruby, and Giancana are some of the major players. ,fu A+N@Z"1lOE3I1.fna\Yic8$_vm\Q,Q Z c0#%^;xL`770 8T @/ )X G/ That guy was a nut-job! So that got my train of thought going and I looked into it. Whether he still worked for the CIA, who knows. But getting arrested is only the start point of a long and difficult process. So I think, like Mon says, the flag was there and Krenwinkel either didn't notice it or was was lying. Ha,ha Ms Katie.Maybe for you "life just gets more better and more clearer"but for me?.NEVERMINDlolMario George Nitrini 111-----The OJ Simpson Case. Lamar said A lot of people only see what they want to seeUnless of course you have no agenda to begin with.Open your minds!Does not the fact that there are so many alternative theories cause you to open your mind and wonder why ? ONeill interviewed Hatami who said that Bugliosi knew Reeve very wellHow would Hatami, who met Bugliosi only a couple of times, and on official business {ID photos, trial} know who Bugliosi knew, well or otherwise ?Hatami also told ONeill that he first heard about the murders from Reeve. Some have atrocious recall, Tex & Pat falling into that category. ), Whitsons wife (not exactly an objective witness), Linda Ruby a cousin of Whitsons (again, not objective), 2 detectives working on the TLB case who are desperate to find ANY motive in a case that appears to have none EXCEPT drugs and robbery, and a British film director claiming Whitson had "very good connections with LASO" along with thousands of other people in LA, If the FBI or CIA allowed the murders of 5 adults and one full term unborn baby to happen while supposedly surveilling the scene there would be an uprising in this country the likes of which haven't been seen since the Civil War. It was a probably Whitson tracking Abigail. While Manson was near the porch, Sharon Tate came to the door to ask who it was, and saw Manson. Whitson had the Tate house under surveillance, which is how he knew something was going to happen. And even then I might not look at it for 5 years. Ha! Did he mention Tex ? It was the nation's top-secret film studio that produced more films (moon landing backup films) in one year than all the film studios in the L.A. area combined. Would he be sent back to jail for speeding ? %PDF-1.7 % However, I am not disputing O'Neill's sources. The documentary itself raises more questions than it answers and can't shed a positive light on the investigation, which was one of its goals. ZLR 694 belonged to Sharon's Camaro. Shahrokh Hatami of course hahahahahahaha. 2.2K 327 EntertainmentNo1123 5 days ago The licensing process for model cars began in 1966 with a Scotsman by the name of Reeve Whitson, the first to establish a company that served as an agent to the racing car manufacturers to license their copyrighted designs to model car makers. This program was headed by Gerald Shur of the DOJ. I wonder if some of you are so dismissive because your default position is to be skeptical, so you're not actually letting the information in. Brenda ? And, if you look at the police reports, there are those who claim to have heard male voices outside hours after Watson, et al. I'd welcome any theories or additional info one may want to share and I'll share the info I have. This was essential because Sharon and Jay might have put up quite a fight with their martial arts skills acquired from training by the master Bruce Lee. According to author Tom O'Neill, Hatami first shared his Charlie encounter story with possible CIA agent Reeve Whitson. "I agree. Supposedly Debra Tate has the manuscript for the book, one of the claims in it was that Paul Caruso was representing Tom Harrigan and when Helder saw the new MDA drug on the to reports he wanted to get a sample analyzed but didn't know where to come by it so he asked Caruso if Hartigan would give him a sample and he did, it's awfully convenient how often Caruso's name pops up in the TLB saga.
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