Im also desended from my great grandfather King John I of magna carta infamy. Duncan is the son ofDuncan M'Kie[unknownconfidence] John is the son ofWilliam Knox[unknownconfidence] Katherine is the daughter ofAgnes Bigod[unknownconfidence] Read about our approach to external linking. 14. Wallis Simpson (born Bessie Wallis Wakefield; 19 June 189624 April 1986) was an American socialite who gained notoriety for her relationship with Edward VIII. Elizabeth is the daughter of Hannah (Niles) Mott As you probably know, Col Hansen breaks the line in his article, but there is a lot of circumstantial evidence both ways. 9. Prof King, a presenter on BBC Two's DNA Family Secrets, says that it's often not understood how much family trees are likely to overlap when you go back so many generations. "It's not that uncommon," says Graham Holton, a tutor on a postgraduate course on genealogy at the University of Strathclyde in Glasgow. Lora (Kartchner) Eckler and Edward III (Plantagenet) of England are both descendants of Henry II Plantagenet. Martha is the daughter of Dorothy (Wheatley) Bliss [unknown confidence] Unfortunately countless times in the past people would go from embellishing their family to outright publishing connections that were fantasy. 2023 BBC. William is the son ofEleanore (Greystoke) Eure[unknownconfidence] 13. 4. Iver is the son of Mary (Macgregor) McKay [unknown confidence] Iver is the son of Duncan McKay [unknown confidence], 3. 21. Most populous nation: Should India rejoice or panic? https://www.ancestry.com/boards/surnames.ide/120/mb.ashx, https://www.ancestry.com/boards/surnames.ide/120.1/mb.ashx, Archibald (Campbell) fourth Earl of Argyll. Via Ann Bagley, wife of William Brinton, wealthy Quakers. Benjamin is the son ofBenjamin Franklin Wallingford[unknownconfidence] Neil D. Thompson. Terry Booth disputes this. The Scots Peerage has no mention of William Gordon and its usually pretty reliable - Joan Stewart does have kind of a missing chunk of time from 1451-57 where she was in France but not married yet, plenty of time to marry and have a child. Richardson, Douglas. 20. John is the son ofJoan Janet Stewart[unknownconfidence] William is the son ofRichard Nance[confident] The problems tend to start back in the old countries. William is the son ofJohanna (Percy) Harris[unknownconfidence] Ironically, Every persona in the Magna Carta drama (all Surety Barrons and The King John), are my great grandfathers! Prof King, a presenter on I'll get them Ellen. 5. James is the son of Katherine Agnew [unknown confidence] Samuel is the son of Daniel McKay [unknown confidence] of " the Earl of Cassillis" with a da. All three of those are gateway ancestors to medieval English ancestry. Dorothy is the daughter of Mary (Fiennes) Fiens [unknown confidence]. Edward III Project: Gateway Ancestors - do you have one? Regarding Mary Fiennes, according to a curated site at Geni, someone mentioned that Mary Fiennes was indeed the daughter of Sir George Gregory Finnes and Lady Anne Saxeville, she is allegedly mentioned in the "College of Heralds." 13. John is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England [confident] Cecilia is the daughter of Joan (Strangeways) Berkeley [unknown confidence] That seems reasonable to me, no one in the family ever thought of a royal connection! The lineage was discovered through The House of Gordon v. 2 has no mention of William Gordon's wife but does mention his grandson Alexander m. a da. According to the research, Markle, a Los Angeles-born American citizen, is a 24th generation descendant of King Edward III. Thomas is the son of Elizabeth (Percy) Neville [confident] John is the son ofEdward (Plantagenet) of England[confident]. "Whether you can actually prove it is one of the issues. He claims to have proved that this John couldn't be the ancestor of the Copleys of Doncaster, who are generally said to have inherited his property. I would be slow to break this line and would be interested to hear what she has to say. well I can tell you are related to me as Glasscock is a surname of mine I will run just make sure! 5. The Bagley connection is very interesting. I will get to all of these potential lines eventually. 7. 19. Regarding that second line I posted above, I find that my paternal grandmother has a different supposed lineage to Edward that runs through Henry Peck, the brother of John Peck Esq, whose profile is one of several that has particularly weak sourcing. Michael is the son of Mary Margaret (Campbell) Woods [unknown confidence] Bea - if you could also look into Edward Southworth, Thomas' supposed younger brother and his sons Constant and Thomas I'd appreciate it! Eaton, Mabel same, Henchman, Sarah (Woodward), of Boston, Massachusetts V: 395, Hough, Elizabeth (Bulkeley), of Cambridge and Boston, Massachusetts II:9, Howell, Edward, Gent., of Boston & Lynn, Massachusetts; Southampton, Long Island III: 348, Hubbard, Judith (Knapp), of Ipswich, Massachusetts III: 352, Hutchinson, Anne (Marbury), of Boston, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and New York II: 147, Hutchinson, Katherine (Hamby), of Boston, Massachusetts II: 147; III: 195, Keayne, Anne (Mansfield), of Boston, Massachusetts II:530, Lewis, Elizabeth (Marshall), of Maine IV: 91, Lowell, Percival, Gent., of Newbury, Massachusetts III: 648, Ludlow, Roger, Esq., of Dorchester, Massachusetts; Windsor and Fairfield, Connecticut III: 667, Lugg, Jane (Deighton), of Boston, Massachusetts II: 412, Lynde, Simon, of Boston, Massachusetts III: 683, Mansfield, John, of Charlestown, Massachusetts II:530, Manwaring, Oliver, of New London, Connecticut IV:28, Maverick, Mary (Gye), of Dorchester, Massachusetts III: 184, Mellowes, Martha (Bulkeley), of Charlestown, Massachusetts II:9, Miles, Anne (Humphrey), of Swansea, Massachusetts V: 358, More, Richard, of Plymouth and Salem, Massachusetts, Negus, Jane (Deighton), of Boston, Massachusetts II: 412, Nelson, John, of Boston, Massachusetts V: 140, Nelson, Capt. The line must be very well documented. PS, is there another project related to Charlemagne? I have Charlemagne many times. Its happened to all of us. 11. 14. It's just a question of degree.". Gregory is the son ofThomas Fiennes[unknownconfidence] Edward is the son of Ann Tomlinson [unknown confidence] Being able to navigate a path back to an identifiable medieval relative often depends on finding a "gateway ancestor", says Else Churchill, a genealogist at the Society of Genealogists in London. En route to London to answer for his behavior he killed an inkeeper and wounded his wife, then committed suicide. This trail tells us that Edward III is the 15th great grandfather of Daniel. John is the son ofEdward (Plantagenet) of England[confident] Katherine is the daughter ofPatrick Agnew[unknownconfidence] Beth a family bible is still a kind of evidence that can be cited but did anyone transcribe it before it was destroyed? One of the stated goals of the Edward III Project is to develop a list of proven gateway ancestors to Edward III. Are the genes that put kings on thrones now producing a celebrity aristocracy? 6. Robert is the son of John Gordon [unknown confidence], 13. 10. Iver McKayEmigrant, bornKilmory, Bute, Scotland, Unsourced. Thomas is the son ofThomas Southworth II[unknownconfidence] Thomas is the son of Thomas Savage [confident] 10 & 11 are completely unsourced, and I'd argue you need better sources for all 5 people. Summarizingthis blog post about hisda. The Ryther marriage is totally impossible. Thomas, of Cambridge, Ipswich, and Roxbury, Massachusetts II: 412, II: 477, Eaton, Mabel (Harlakenden), of Hartford, Connecticut III: 225; III: 27 4, Edwards, Agnes (Harris), of Cambridge, Massachusetts and Hartford, Connecticut III: 234, Farwell, Olive (Welby), of Concord and Chelmsford, Massachusetts V: 330, Giddings, Jane (Lawrence), of Ipswich, Massachusetts III: 552, Goddard, William, of Watertown, Massachusetts Ill: 92, Hackburne, Katherine (Deighton), of Roxbury and Dedham, Massachusetts II: 412, II: 477, Harlakenden, Elizabeth (Bosvile), of Cambridge, Massachusetts I: 444; III: 225; V: 355, Harlakenden, [Lieut. male line descendants of Edward III via John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster and Henry Somerset, 5th Duke of Beaufort (17441803) are U152 xL2,Z36,Z56,M126,M160,Z192. Edward Southwarth is mentioned in a lot of the betrothals, and of course many others. These volumes contain 257 gateway ancestors of which 98 came to New England. Joan is the daughter ofJohn Beaufort KG[unknownconfidence] For grins and giggles, I ran a relationship finder on Edward's son, John of Gaunt (Plantagenet) and had another positive hit through a completely different family line. Lynden Rodriguezcommented:I have one, Alice Harry-118, but she's not on the list, and her line may not have been developed enough. Thanks Darrell, the link contains so much interesting research on this family line. Andrew is the son of Katherine Gordon [unknown confidence], 11. Helen is the daughter ofIsabel (Gerrard) Langton[unknownconfidence] Mary is the daughter ofThomas Southard Jr.[unknownconfidence] I have the same connection to all of the surety barons whose line hasnt died out. There are, however, at least two breaks in the line. Rev. Edward III Project: Gateway Ancestors - do you have one? I got confused about the different lines I was looking at. Mary (Macgregor) McKayBorn Argyll, unsourced. (Rev.) But it means that on any street or crowded bus there could be an unwitting relation of this medieval monarch. Joan is the daughter ofJohn Beaufort KG[unknownconfidence] 19. This corrects the line originally posted. of William Courtney, de jure 3rd Earl of Devon not Gertrude Courtney. https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/champorret.htm#FrancoisJoyeusedied1556B. Commitment to student-athletes and their academic success, as well Richard I is the son ofJoan (Beaufort) de Neville LG[confident] This is perfectly normal. James is the son ofJoan (Beaufort) Stewart[unknownconfidence] 13. Thanks, RJ! However, the prob. Sir James Of Auchinbrek is the son of Archibald Campbell [unknown confidence] Joan is the daughter of John (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG [unknown confidence] Thomas is the son ofThomas Southard[unknownconfidence], For Edward I already added his marriage record a while ago, he had a brother Thomas also, who was a witness at this marriage, and now I remember why the name sounded so familiar. Make that Captain Thomas Savageis certainly not the son of Sir Thomas Savage, 1st Viscount Savage and Elizabeth Darcy, Countess Riverssuo jure. Maud is the daughter of Thomas Clifford [confident] 19. 1. It is not in wikitree, which shows the earliest common ancestor at King John. How could a modern-day comedian turn out to be related to a medieval monarch? I do not see any of these names on the list of gateway ancestors. ), https://books.google.com/books?id=swQVAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA81, https://books.google.com/books?id=hS47AwAAQBAJ&pg=PA199. This trail tells us that Archibald is the 14th great grandfather of Beth. John VII is the son of Cicely (Willoughby) Sutton [unknown confidence] Ann is the daughter of Edward Sutton [unknown confidence] Patrick is the son ofPatrick James McKie[unknownconfidence] Confirm for people well-documented and well-proven lines. 8. Nearly every person living the 21st century who has English, Irish, Scots, or Welsh ancestry is very likely descended from King Edward III (1312-1377). Hello! Samuel, of Hull and Weymouth, MA, Treworgy, Penelope (Spencer), of ME, MA, and Newfoundland, Tyng, Elizabeth (Coytemore), of Boston, MA, Whiting, Elizabeth (St. John), of Lynn, MA, Whittingham, Elizabeth (Bulkeley), of Cambridge and Boston, MA, Williams, Frances (Deighton), of Taunton, MA, Wilson, Elizabeth (Mansfield), of Boston, MA. New gateway ancestors: The Duncanson sisters of New Netherland? Richard is the son ofJohn Harry Nance[confident] 17. Mary is the daughter of Joan (Beaufort) de Neville LG They are starting to come too fast and there are not enough hours in the day to properly check them out. Yes. 7. Turi King, professor of genetics at the University of Leicester, has researched Richard III and says there are "literally millions" of people alive now who are related to the immediate family of this 15th-Century sovereign. I've been wondering about this line for a long time. Because the Connecticut Tisdales were also in that line -- through, Charlemagne and find relationship to him or for that matter any ancestor that far back. 11. Charles is the son of Robert Rigg [confident] Using previous models of the numbers of descendants over the generations, he says as a broad estimate there could be two million people alive now related to Edward I. He killed Nicholas Slanning of Bickleigh, fled to France until his father-in-law secured a pardon. What this really shows, according to genealogy experts, is that if you look back far enough a surprisingly high number of people will find a royal ancestor. Jean is the daughter of Archibald (Campbell) fourth Earl of Argyll [unknown confidence] Edward III has descendants to the 26th generation and he only died in 1377. I think there is a legitimate issue with the connection between Francois de Joyeuse and Robert de Joyeuse. 13. Webdescendants ancestors Four or more generations of descendants of Edward IV of England (1442-1483) if they are properly linked: 1. 3. Maximillian Cornelius Beard (1864-1924) 4. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America Before 1700. "I always say to people we are all related to each other. Also Tavistock was a hotbed of Puritanism so it makes sense a poor Fitz cousin emigrated to Massachusetts. Further, Nicholas' wife Martha was living at the time Thomas wrote his will -- but Thomas never refers to her in any way. 12. So what's going on? You have New England roots. 16. The final edition includes a total of 688 immigrants of Royal or noble descent. 16. In fact one thing about them is that there were lots of records. 10. Elizabeth is the daughter of Hannah (Lake) Gallup - she immigrated Their relationship caused a constitutional crisis that ultimately led to Edwards abdication. We need some help in France to answer the nagging questions! mentuons another John Harrington in circulation, though it doesn't say how he connects. 14. John is the son of Joan Janet Stewart [unknown confidence] 5. Lorene is the daughter of William Edgar McCoy [confident] I also connect to this tree (which is why I was up on Mary Fienes!) Anne is the daughter ofElizabeth (Ferrers) Greystoke[unknownconfidence] 9. I guess were related on many levels! While looking for something else I came across this stray mention of the Peck-Harrington marriage. The entire early portion of this line is undocumented and is likely incorrect. There is almost certainly a problem at the immigrant generation, but we will check it out. I hope to get to all of them. It is well worth the time to search this book if you cant find your ancestor in Richardsons list above. Enter any two WikiTree IDs to see their genealogical relationship. and if you don't like thatlineuse my 4th great grandmothers line! 69 (1994): 95-97. James is the son ofKatherine Agnew[unknownconfidence] 3. He goes all the way back through Edward I to William the Conqueror. Edward abdicated the British throne in 1936 to marry her. On both my parents. 14. 18. In addition various lineage societies also maintain current lists of GARDs and GANDs. 13. Elizabeth of York (1465-1503) 3. 16. 24. 20. 22. Elizabeth is the daughter ofJoan (Beaufort) de Neville LG[unknownconfidence] Hannibal Wheatley's 1902 Genealogy of the Wheatley Family states, without documentation, that Dorothy's father Frank Wheatleigh married "Mary Fienes granddaughter of Lord Dacre, who was executed in 1541." Rev John Oxenbridge BIRTH 30 Jan 1609, Daventry, Daventry District, Northamptonshire, England DEATH 28 Dec 1674 (aged 65), Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA BURIAL Kings Chapel Burying Ground, Biography== Humphrey Davie, of Boston the son of Sir John Davie, MP, 1st Baronet of Creedy and Juliana Strode* Humphrey married 1. Alice is the daughter ofAnne Harris[unknownconfidence] Henry is the son ofHenry Percy[confident] 15. 5. 15. This trail tells us that Edward III is the 15th great grandfather of Daniel. A man answering to that description died in 1465 - the uncle of Harrington-4299. 20. I've disconnected Richard Lake from his erroneous parents. This appears to be the basis of the undocumented supposition that Mary was the daughter of "George Gregory" Fiennes. 11. Can you add sources from the linked Ancestry page? But I will: Charles Hansen. Frances Deighton is my gateway ancestor. John is the son ofJohn (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG[unknownconfidence] This is quite interesting. John is the son of Richard Lake Well, I get a descent via Captain Thomas Savage, but I already know John Savage is not Thomas' son; he was born when poor Faith Hutchinson was 13, and seven years before she married Thomas. Michael is the son ofWill Dan Joslin[confident] Margaret is the daughter ofGeorge Maxwell[unknownconfidence] 3. Agnes is the daughter ofJohn Douglas[unknownconfidence] Jane is the daughter of Lucy (Heneage) Reade [ Edmund is the son ofEdward (Plantagenet) of England[confident]. Knox seems to be my connection to almost any famous, important, or royal type person! 16. 20. The source I added above also explains a whole lot about the names and the confusion about them, some were translated and written in Dutch or Dutchified , so for someit's reallyhard to recognize they were the correct ones, sometimes theywere registeredwith just their patronymics, and so on so it's quite a puzzle . SGM also accepts it without question on many posts. Joan Janet Stewartprobably has the details for two people; Joan Stewart Countess of Morton, who m. James Douglas,1st Earl of Mortonand had 4 children and Janet Stewart, someone with different parents who marriedWilliam Gordon. Daniel is the son of Iver McKay [uncertain] 4. WebDescendants of George III King George III Queen Charlotte Here follows a list of children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren of George III, King of the United Kingdom and his wife, Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz. 17. Read about our approach to external linking. John is the son of Katherine (Peck) Lake Thomas is the son ofThomas Southworth Esq[unknownconfidence] 22. 18. No hurry as it appears you are being bombarded! W. Henry Brooks (1831-1900) 7. Ralph is the son ofWilliam Eure[unknownconfidence] Elizabeth is the daughter of Charles Somerset KG [confident] Nathaniel Plummer is the son ofJesse Pearson[unknownconfidence] Great work! Elizabeth is the daughter of Philippa (Plantagenet) Mortimer 12. Elizabeth is the daughter ofJohn Mansfield Esq, MP[confident] Henry is the son of Henry Anderson Dickinson [confident] 9. Edward III is a possible cousin. along with writing up a discussion of the problems. Feeling more Valiant? John is the son ofAlice Harry[unknownconfidence] Elizabeth (Mott) Littlefield Has anyone verified this? James Stewart, Duke of Rothesay (1507-1508) This list currently is 70 individuals representing 55 different families. 13. But -- I do not see the names on your list. Does your gateway ancestor appear below? He and his brother John (and other siblings) are now the children of "Unknown Lake." Chaos at port as thousands rush to leave Sudan, Air strikes pound Sudan capital as truce extended, Suspected IS chief killed in Syria, Turkey says. 8. This questionable line is the one I found for my paternal grandmother (this is the part of the trail that goes from colonial Massachusetts back to Edward III): 7. 5. 8. 21. Lineage societies maintain their own lists based on accepted membership applications. Joan is the daughter ofJohn (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG[unknownconfidence]. 13. Australian immigrants in the 19th century are a very mixed bag in terms of how hard they are to trace back, so I should not exaggerate how difficult they are. 7. Catherine is the daughter of Joan (Beaufort) de Neville LG [confident] Sarah is the daughter ofBridgett (Fitts) Window[confident] Joan is the daughter ofJohn Beaufort KG[unknownconfidence] 10. And if someone has ancestry in Britain going back to the Middle Ages, Prof King says it's actually more likely than not they will be related to a branch of one of the royals. It will be nice when Wikitree can go back to Charlemagne and find relationship to him or for that matter any ancestor that far back.
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