He gave an audio interview to the Wrong Man investigators when they made a surprise visit to his house, but he declined to appear on camera. The hair evidence is not compelling because theres a very good possibility that the evidence was compromised. All this talk about hairs and other DNA just seems to keep deflecting away from the gun itself. No explanation given. She killed Joann, had a fair and impartial trial, so its time to get over it. More than 20 years after her conviction, Patricia Rorrer still has advocates working to exonerate her. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. At the states request, the instructor wore a wire during a phone conversation with Patricia. Episode Info. Her alibi about going to the club, called Cowboys Nitelife, got fuzzy when investigators discovered she hadnt signed the guest book on that day. Your email address will not be published. If in the woods in a rural area, no animal, rodent or insect touched those bodies? Most of your comment absolutely astonishes me. No other suspect has existed that would have a motive to kill Joann. Thank you Kerry. This time, not surprisingly, the FBI did achieve a match. Update/Clean-Up. (Disclaimer: Im not a big fan of eyewitnesses who come forward years after the fact, but its possible). . Above, we have another whos totally clueless, has little or no knowledge of this case, but is happy to display his/her ignorance with a rant based on limited knowledge learned from biased documentaries who thinks that by using offensive and insulting language itll influence those who support Rorrer into changing their opinions. SHE IS NOT GUILTY OF THESE CRIMES. I THINK THEY SHOULD REOPEN THIS CASE AND LOOK AT THE HUSBAND JUST SAYING BUT IN MY HEART AND MIND FROM READING ALL THE NOTES AND STUFF PATRICA IS NOT GUILTY AND THEY NEED TO SET HER FREE. As I stated previously, if she cannot speak for herself, Im happy to step up on her behalf. It fails to mention the car was totally clean of any other forensic residue. Police identified the pair as Joann and Alex Katrinak. Hoist by my own petard! Clifford Freeman, since you are already at the top of the list of deluded people not much room left for anyone with an oversized ego such as you apparently have!! Your pathetic attempt to insult not only shows a not very original comment, but clearly displays a lack of intelligence. (Nope. Another inaccuracy in this is, they state the jury took SIX HOURS to return a verdict, when in fact it took less than TWO HOURS. Locked up. Some lawyers call microscopic hair analysis junk science that today wouldnt qualify as evidence in a trial like Rorrers. Great catch. If that really is the case, the husbands alibi for a date months before becomes irrelevant. One of Patricia's alibis was that she was at a bar on the night of the abduction. She wanted all men to give her attention but she couldnt have everyones attention, especially ANDREWS!!! A correction to the comment above. Stevie J Further to my previous comment, I should add the following. I just watched Reasonable Dont on this case. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. She made an effort to look perfectly groomed even when she took out the trash, according to her mother, who appeared on Forensic Files. Incriminating words. You can PM me please, this way you can update your article with the correct information. And the fact that Patricia called Andrew even after he married someone else didnt mean she was still carrying a torch for him, according to one of her friends. That phone call came in on December 7, 1994. State police and the Philadelphia division of the FBI appealed to the public for leads. Meanwhile, interest in Patricias plight continues on social media. This is untrue. Mal told Keith Morrison that Patricias dance teacher originally confirmed her alibi that she was in class on the day of the murder, then changed his mind. Just one example. Even if there were some minor flaws or discrepancies in the investigation, thats normal. Nope. They were able to match 5 hairs all the same micro DNA which happened to match the DNA pulled from blood samples Pat gave. Calling her ex because she just likes to stay in touch w peopleLOL! As for the murder weapon, police didnt find a .22 caliber pistol on Patricias property, but an ex-boyfriend claimed that she owned one and it would always jam after one shot. His hair (back in 94-95) was dirty blonde and roughly 8 inches long. If you subscribe to Hulu and upgrade to Starz (theres a free one-week trial offer), you can stream the Wrong Man episodes about Patricia Rorrer. Im inclined to think both Rorrer and Routier are guilty. If I knew I was going to get caught, I never would have brought you into this world, the arresting officers testified they heard her say to Nicole. At the trial, prosecutor Michael McIntyre alleged that Patricia remained obsessed with Andrew Katrinak long after their breakup despite testimony that shed had many boyfriends and live-in lovers to occupy her bandwidth. The number of delusional people in this world both shocks and frightens me. How about the two eyewitnesses that identified her alive days after her disappearance. I hope and pray the cops and the husband will finally do the right thing. No way for 4 months, that deceased baby would still be resting across the mothers chest. I would like to tell you that there is many errors in this article, that I would love to send to you the proof of each one. And Andrews explanation of how the intruder got in through the basement door seemed contrived, according to Grube, who gave an interview to Wrong Man, a 2020 true-crime docuseries from the Starz network, which produced two episodes called The Hang Up about the Rorrer case. I have been following this case for a very long time, watching nearly all the available documentaries and have also read the book, Convenient Suspect, by Tammy Mal as well as acquiring a great deal of information which has emerged since the trial with regard to this case. At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. I was able to email with Patricia via the PrisonConnect platform around Christmastime. She likely SUFFOCATED him to get revenge on the babys father who was planning on leaving her. But Patricia had moved from Pennsylvania years ago, and she'd started her own family in North Carolina. Patricia defaulted on her mortgage and then returned to North Carolina, where she eventually moved in with a boyfriend named Brian Ward. Let her rot like she left Joan and that INNOCENT baby Alex. Tiffany, it is amazing you have all the answers to these murders! Rorrers filed multiple appeals over issues you raise, the latest recently and rejected. For more on the Katrinak murder case, you can watch Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction for free on YouTube. Having read that and your most recent comment above, its clearly obvious youre a person of high educational standing and legal knowledge, which I fully respect. Are you even aware there are judges, eminent writers, lawyers and TV personalities and countless other ordinary people all of whom steadfastly support her as being innocent and wrongly convicted. She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! I have to assume its because her conviction is regarded as safe (which doesnt mean it IS safe, I know). Youll have to make do with what you see here. I happen to be one of those deluded people youre so freely attempting to insult. Its nine minutes into the video. Phone records confirmed Patricia placed the earlier call from North Carolina, not Pennsylvania. No charmed life. They retested hair from the car in 2008 with updated new technology. You people are fighting a losing cause! Ten months after Joann died he murdered another woman (who looks just like her) and her baby, as well. After one bullet didnt kill Joann, the gun locked up, so Patricia had to beat her to death, according to the prosecution. Oh wait, sorry, you werent there. I guess the investigators in Pennsylvania managed a quick resolve to a huge case that had a nations eyes scrutinizing their every move! Shes extremely, extremely happy with the baby. But I agree with a recent comment.. Why not do a paternity case so just that is done and out of the way. I want to know why no one has answered this question: if there was no root found on the hair clutched in Joanns hand how was the lab able to produce all those results that could not have been found without roots??? Joann Katrinaks Killer Still Has Innocence Advocates(A Woman Scorned, Forensic Files). All my comments have been vetted and approved by this sites organisers so how do you see yourself as the judge of whats acceptable or not? But defense lawyer Robert Pfeiffer said that plenty of evidence supported Patricias innocence. Thank you, this is a very interesting comment. That, as well as measurements of the babys head (revealing the infant to be of a more advanced age) very much suggest they were killed some considerable time after what was believed at her trial. From my point of view this is an extremely similar case, with less class and style, and without the luxurious details that Interpols case had, such as the involvement of an extremely expensive Alfa Romeo car, and a revolver bought at a lush auction in Paris, which had belonged to a duke before the incident. All of them returned without a DNA analysis because they contained no root material. They found several specimens but not a single one was a match. Wow. While most of the documentaries come out as reinforcing her guilt, albeit most of them giving differing accounts of the speculation which was presented at her trial, some going even further by showing scenes that were offered as theories at her trial, as FACT. On Instagram, I found a post for a two-part Win at All Costs podcast featuring journalism professor Bill Mousheys interviews with Patricia Rorrer from prison in December 2019. Clearly, there are a lot of irrational people out there. Your email address will not be published. Joanne didnt go missing until December 15, an entire week and a day later. After . New state, new man. The case rocked Pennsylvania's Lehigh Valley and resulted in. She has no means to reply or rebut this outrageous slurs and these forums are the only way I know where people may become aware of the wrongful conviction of innocent person and equally, those who happily believe all the adverse and damaging comments. We lived close to one another. The FBI even included a written report to that effect. Patricia Rorrer was a cold woman. And yikes, he discovered someone had cut one of the houses phone lines and pried the hinge on the basement door. Her mother was married to my uncle. He wanted to move to Colorado and she was against it.. 2. Lehigh County Deputies escort accused murderer Patricia Rorrer, as she arrives for the beginning of her trial at the Lehigh County Courthouse in Allentown, on Friday, Feb. 6, 1998. It was just assumed to be crib death. Women like Barbara Stager who killed her husband in Durham NC. She asked to speak with Andrew, who was home during the call; Joann refused. Irelands husband buried it in the yard because he didnt feel comfortable with a firearm inside, she said. She was so obsessed with Andy that she called him non-stop, multiple times a day, right? Testimony from Walter Blalock contradicted Patricias claim that she never had a gun. Most of all, Patricia said, she would like a rematch with prosecutor Michael McIntyre. But hang on You ask that I show care with my wording and show all the tolerance in the world, and by that you presumably mean I should simply ignore those who villify her in the most disgraceful way, probably in the opinion that all readers of their comments will agree, and no one is going to take offence! Perhaps she used more than one gun using another/others for the target shooting than the one she killed with (and others shot with her?) Instead of presenting hard facts, all I see are words and phrases that are purely speculative.. such as perhaps. On closer inspection, he saw it was the body of a woman. Discuss and express opinion; stop short of asserting that those of the other view (that of judge and jury, at least) are ignorant of facts and wrong, and youre right, because by definition its reasonable for lay people to accept the jury verdict. She was bubbly and likable, not disgruntled, according to friend Kathy Barber, who visited her friend in jail. Kidnapped and killed? Which, for this very reason, is at present being investigated by a federal judge? Docket at pp. The only record of a call from Patricia to the Katrinak household was on 12/7/94. DNA testing revealed the blood came from either Joann or her son. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. She failed miserably to convince me, or anyone else who mattered, of her innocence. I expect she will admit it one day. It would appear you are reading all sorts of interpretations into my comments especially that I have a fragile ego, dented by others whove responded to me! (We didnt get into the specifics.). Those who knew Joann pointed out that she didnt like to drive in reverse and would have never parked that way. There are judges, eminent lawyers and writers who are in support of her. Rorrer killed these two people in cold blood and the jury got it right! And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. Id wanna be done with that shite quick too.. meh what do I know! The person who killed Joann is currently serving a life sentence because 10 months after Joann and Alex died, he killed another woman (who bore a striking resemblance to Joann) and her baby. Patricia Rorrer was convicted of both deaths in the mid-90's and is serving a life sentence. Ms. Patricia Rorrer was tried and convicted of two counts of first-degree murder and two counts of kidnapping in March 1998, in Lehigh County Court of Common Pleas, for the murder of Joanne Katrinak and her infant son. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory. After Joann Katrinak, the wife of Patricias former flame, turned up dead along with her infant son, prosecutors suspected Patricia. Watching this case on tv again today, I returned to this site and noted: I most definitely will not personally afford Patricia a platform, Michael said in an email to ForensicFilesNow.com She had her chance to answer my questions and tell her story in court over 20 years ago. So where they alive somewhere, and if so how could of Patricia, who was questioned, with not one mark on her kill them? Patricia L. Rorrer was taken into custody from the Linwood home she shared with her boyfriend and 1-year-old daughter on June 24, 1997. However, while sticking solely to the Rorrer case, the issue of the husbands alibi is very much open to doubt if one takes into consideration what the documentary, STARZ-The Wrong Man (in two parts) has revealed. February 8, 2020. Sure theres DNA, but if she truly is innocent then why not advocate to find the gun. I also communicated with Patricia via email to get her input on some matters. I would very much be interested in any comment you can offer in response to my input here. In addition to the Facebook page, there are Reddit threads on her case. In a million years, she wouldnt do anything to harm that.. Why? Im aware of Rorrers various appeals, but also aware that the bases for those appeals is to some degree unknown to observers, who rely on third-party reporting which may distort. Why is this even a question, why people are trying to take out killers into society? Not sure why anyone is defending her. Patricia Rorrer will burn in hell, as she should. Both were deceased. PATRICIA RORRER, : : Petitioner : v. : CIVIL ACTION NUMBER 19-01398 : WENDY K. NICHOLAS, : : Respondents : MOTION FOR DISCOVERY AND CONSOLIDATED MEMORANDUM OF LAW . The Irish-Italian girl had full, fluffy dark hair, olive skin, and a pretty face. Women murder for all kinds of reasons, but the simple facts come down to this.there was physical evidence, the bullet wound matched that of the gun Pat owned, the hairs were Pats and at both scenes, and she had no alibi and she had lied to try and come up with one.and lets not forget the damning words she spoke to her 18 month old daughter that the officer had the common sense to document. Superior Court states that Patricia Rorrer and Andy Katrinak's romantic relationship ended in May, 1993 only one year before the murders. The Free Patricia Rorrer page responds to comments from supporters (How is this even possible that this woman is still in jail?!? Why would she say that maybe she wasnt really a good friend, just someone trying to inject herself into a super sensational case. After a successful first season, Starz has announced that Wrong Man season 2 will premiere on Sunday, Feb. 9 at 9:45 p.m. The only thing that has changed since this case is the ability of people to access and proclaim crackpot ideas, conspiracies, and all the rest. It makes me sick. See Commonwealth v. Rorrer, CP-39- CR-0002176-1997 (C.C.P. Omg so well put! She had a suitcase packed, Devine said. If you can tear yourself away from your obsessive mentality, you can see what virtually amounts to the tampering to which I referred. They released a poster of Joann and Alex, noting that the baby had almond-shaped blue eyes, weighed 18 pounds, and was circumcised. From what Ive seen its pretty obvious Patricia did do that to this poor woman and the baby. Men who murder are conventional, women are sensational, posits the Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Network. I live in Pennsylvania, not far from where this happened. If you want to help her tell her to ask God for forgiveness. Patricia made daily phone calls every day but made no calls at all the day before, of and after Joannes murder as she was traveling and knew her phone could track her location. So, lets take your response one step at a time. You are absolutely right. She should have been treated exactly the way she treated that mother and baby, taken out into the woods, shot, beaten and then left to die. According to a Morning Call account from March 5, 1998: McIntyre leaned forward conspiratorially like someone trying to persuade another to tell a secret, lowered his voice and said: Heres what I want to know: After you killed Joann Katrinak, did you kill that baby or just leave it to die?. She made Joanne kill the baby PLEASE. They tested the hair last night on Reasonable Doubt using updated technology it is definitely Patricias. Dont even think about arguing with me until they DNA test that hair and the broken fingernail found on her body; Ill just laugh at you. The media love the femme fatale., FBI lab blunder. Nope. He had worked as a semi-pro boxer in Las Vegas in his youth and later settled into his own construction business. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. The Free Patricia Rorrer page points to a sliver of a fingernail found at the murder site that didnt come from either Patricia or Joann. At 10:30 p.m., Andrew reported his wife missing. I dont think she was ever scared until we put the cuffs on her.. Both sides agree Joann hung up on Patricia. Opinion: the ideas that a person or a group of people have about something or someone, which are based mainly on their feelings and beliefs, or a single idea of this type.. She got 12 months of probation for shoplifting at a Walmart in Lexington, North Carolina. Prosecution leader McIntyre, when interviewed, laughingly dismissed him as a nut in an effort to trivialise Traupmans input. Im new to the case, but there seems to be a lot of reasonable doubt. The missing hairs probably got destroyed in testing.. thats how they test them.. and reports are wrong all the time. Rorrers defenders remind me of a case in my home town There was a killer who confessed, was caught on video committing the murder and was seen committing the crime by an eye witness. PS Speculative lies is meaningless. And your appraisal of McIntyre is 100% spot on. His defenders claimed that the confession was coerced, the video was grainy/unclear or doctored and the witness was confused and/or unreliable. Other loyal friends and associates attested to Patricias kindness toward horses and devotion to her daughter, whom she took along as she worked in stables. Its his hair (dirty blond and roughly 8 inches in length) that was found in Joanns hand. How do you know this woman wasnt obsessed with him and wanted his wife out of the way? Police slowly built a case against Patricia. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. Its never been made clear. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! Ive found that in nearly every case, those who are firmly of the opinion shes guilty have an extremely limited knowledge of the case theyve watched one (or perhaps more) of the documentaries which make absolutely no attempt to show anything thats in Rorrers favour (theres plenty, if one bothers to look), and worse, revel in exaggerated and speculative scenes, some of which were never even mentioned at her trial. Book her. They retested the hair for DNA evidence with updated technology definitely Patricias hair case closed. Have you read the book? Just saying. of course they all do it to make money only, some of them do it shamelessly, without the slightest attempt to be fair and honest. Go watch the Reasonable Doubt episode from last night Patricia did it. How about the mix up with the hair and the fact that it was not forensically tested (outside of the one man who compared the hairs through naked eye). Those that think that Patricia is innocent are simply groping at straws. The state police dropped him as a suspect. A few fries short of a Happy Meal, that one. Hair we go. Patricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. Flaw in reasoning. Keep up your delusions. Joanns gun and beating wounds were obvious, but the baby died a less violent (but just as horrible) death with no clear signs.
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