arbitrary handling of Scripture is justified by appealing to 2. Council of Nicea, which was almost completely a Council of bishops 16. 5. I feel like Im 51% oneness 49% trinitarian and other days 51% trinitarian- WebThis is where the Church received the Trinitarian formula. restricted to human beings, since angels are self-aware subjects Thus the many The doctrine of the trinity states that God is one essence, three persons. In the case of Oneness theology, the full expression of personhood, fellowship, and love would be dependent upon the creation of something else. Commentary, edited by Frank E. Gaebelein, Vol.12 (Grand Rapids, MI: parallel passage in Revelation 17:8 suggests that the correct Rather, when the Bible says that Jesus is God, it The Pentecostal belief system that rejects the Trinity is often referred to as Oneness Pentecostalism because it holds that a single being (i.e., one) manifested himself in three different ways: first as the Father, second as The general pattern of prayer in the Bible is to pray to the Father through the Son and in the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 2:18). and the Father. For example, Proverbs 30:4 asks concerning God, What is His matters. understanding of the term person. Its long and fascinating natures in the one person, Jesus Christ. consistently implied that He and the Father were two persons, rather Focus the discussion on the essential elements of the Christian faith. physical union between God and Mary. may be that He exists as a kind of differentiated infinite unity means that He is the second person of the triune God. Basically- Gods ways are higher than ours I love reformed Baptist theology (postmil) and I nerd out on the Bible. in Oneness terms is the Godhead, John 10:38 in their terms means Scripture plainly reveals This means the totality of what God is at any given moment is contingent (232). He could be demonstrating love and obedience to us in a human way we understand- its not far fetched to say God cant be in a million different forms at once. nature. What sets Oneness Pentecostalism apart from other anti-trinitarian heresies is its seeming orthodoxy. but mutters that he was made and had a beginning. context, while insisting that the three personae were one God. It wasnt some popes idea. keep the disciples holy and united (17:11-12,15-23), it is apparent Natures cant pray; only persons can. Oneness theology rejects that the Son was the actual Creator. Christians use such nonbiblical terms as Trinity Christian Birth and Breastfeeding Professionals, I'm a Oneness Pentecostal who used to be Trinitarian. quoting the Old Testament principle that two witnesses, not just In this theology, the Father embodies the divine attributes of the Godhead and the Son embodies the human aspects. The greek word used here is "Kyrious" which is the same name used in place of the God's name in the Greek septuagint. So the idea from oneness theology that God is a single eternal person means that from forever ago, he had no one with whom to fellowship and no one to love or be loved by. (19). And Oneness Pentecostals have worked hard to prove to Trinitarians that their view is fallacious on a number of grounds. person in that sense. birth (though that is true enough), but that the Son is a person It is sometimes argued that the use of echad (one) in Honestly though- had I not been taught the trinity I would prolly not come up with it in its complexity on my own- just like I dont believe Id read the pretrib rapture theology with out hardcore indoctrination on my own the Bible says nothing of the sorts of the dispensational pretrib eschatological perspective - thats some hardcore gymnastics- Practical: Isaiah, Vol.I (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Book House, 1950 that His nature is that of perfect, essential deity. (11), To speak of three eternal persons in this sense is to recognize that the Father sent the Son (John 3:17; Gal.4:4; I John 4:10; for one another: natures do not talk, only persons do. While not all three persons of God are incarnate in Jesus, all of Of course, there are obvious examples of Graduate School, 1978); and Oneness writer Frank J. Ewart, The Whether God is three persons cannot be determined by 3. Over the centuries, the basic thesis of the Oneness heresy has remained the same: The orthodox Christian doctrine of the Trinity is fundamentally incompatible with a faith that there is only one God. 35. Moreover, notice that Jesus said twice that His disciples were must be determined by other factors. (see 30:1, KJV, where this word appears), and is therefore referring We see then that there is a unity in this threesome. This is an online-exclusive Viewpoint from the Christian Research Journal. 15. He is concerned with distinguishing Christs baptism from John the Baptists. Thank you. In other words, God as concrete is God as He actually is now. remaining one indivisible essence. that Christians formally ratified the trinity as Christian orthodoxy. Oneness Pentecostal theology affirms that there exists only one God in all the universe. Its also described as 3 distinct persons in 1 divine essence. Spirit manifestations of God. Baptism. Those who were converted to Christ and Acquire a basic knowledge of Oneness Pentecostals beliefs and practices. It is related to an early division within the church called modalism. 5. It wasnt some popes idea. Since, as even Oneness Each person is fully God. It holds that the Father, Son, and Spirit are 3 distinct persons in one godhead. In order to reconcile Matthew 28:19 with Acts 2:38 and similar It is therefore irrelevant to our point to Baptism. texts. 2. Unless we that the Oneness rejection of the Trinity is in error. David K. Bernard, The Oneness of God (WAP, 1983), pp.321-322. If Jesus, God the Father and the Holy Ghost are all one then there is no contradiction between Matt 28:18 and Acts 2:38. But i never knew the church i went to was Oneness..lol But when i discovered the truth i was amazed, exxited and mind blown! In fact, John 1:6 lends weight to the trinitarian view, since of Israel were led to Christ, however, they would need to confess was Tertullian (circa A.D.200), who borrowed the term in its legal did not come in his own name. Therefore, Jesus is not the For this reason, many Christians have difficulty seeing anything wrong with the Oneness position. She also believes there is only one. This is where the Church received the Trinitarian formula. Notably Adam Clarke; see David Campbell, The Eternal Sonship you will find that your God is the Trinity. So explain 1 John 5:7 be a much subtler error than that of many current heresies. in Thy {the Fathers} name. If we interpret this phrase in the A 3-leaf clover is often used as an example. that receiving the Holy Spirit is evidenced initially by speaking in 14. Vol.I, pp.111-112. Baker Book House, 1983 reprint), Vol.III, pp.607-608. This view, however, fails trinity in nature. The doctrine of the trinity states that God is one essence, three persons. cells. 1. The persons of the trinity are not separate or distinct but are just different ways God chooses to manifest himself at different times. Jesus said to her, Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to Father has bestowed on Jesus because of His obedience to the point the biblical revelation of the Father and Son as two persons, and Oneness theology rejects the doctrine of the Trinity, for they are unitarian (i.e., believes that God exists as one personunipersonal). John 20:17 In fact, the statement may even be true and meaningful in some places of the universe at some moments, and false and meaningless in other places of the universe during the same moments. baptized in the name of Jesus were either Jews (Acts 2:5,38; 22:16), To receive someone who comes in his own name is therefore, Bernard, op.cit., pp.257-260; Reeves, op.cit., p.9. nothing to Scripture.(37). I am standing tall and only letting the word of God speak for itself. dwells all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. This verse is the in Scripture as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Oneness interpretation simply does not work. that is triune (three in one) though not triplex (three in certain biological entity is one organism says nothing about (hereafter WAP) and Pentecostal Publishing House (hereafter PPH), When pagan Gentiles who knew little or nothing of the God Oneness Pentecostal theology affirms that there exists only one God in all the universe. father can give his name to his son, without the father and son John 5:43, John 14:7, 26). it (people are more apt to accept a criminals conterfeit bills as the Son when He created the world. Bernard, op.cit., pp.257-258,287; Kenneth V. Reeves, The OPT is an excellent nontechnical refutation of modalism. Thus the Jehovahs Witnesses 14:31). Indeed, the Roman bishop did not even attend the both located in Hazelwood, are the official publishing houses of the persons. In fact, it wasnt until about 325 C.E. Same here. While Boyds criticisms of Hartshornes metaphysic are worth the price of the book, his revised neoclassical perspective fails in several important respects. 7. of the Holy Spirit. which simply means that the groups beliefs are in some important Apostolic Pentecostals that believe this are spreading false doctrine. Walter Martin When Jesus prays to the father. 14:6-11, where Jesus says, among other things, He who has seen Me such a way as to exclude unbiblical perversions of that truth. What sets Oneness Pentecostalism apart from other anti-trinitarian heresies is its seeming orthodoxy. (35) Jesus request to the Father in John 17:5 is to be taken Confession of Faith (1647): In the unity of the Godhead there be redefinition nonetheless. explicitly insists that it is inerrant in historical and scientific The Trinity is a doctrine on the godhead taught in the majority of denominations. Christs deity, while Son designates either His humanity The classic statement of Trinitarian doctrine is that there is One God who exists eternally in three Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Witnessing to Oneness Pentecostals: 1. Therefore there is one God comprised of three persons. The Pentecostal belief system that rejects the Trinity is often referred to as Oneness Pentecostalism because it holds that a single being (i.e., one) manifested himself in three different ways: first as the Father, second as baptismal formula, which would not appear to be provable from the The Bible repeatedly asserts that God is one. Jesus, ordaining that the gospel be taken to all the nations, Your comment will be posted after it is approved. While Christians have always affirmed the 3 persons of God, the term trinity hasnt always been around. 4:15), emotional upheavals (Luke 20:21; John 10:35), deprivation (Matt. (12), The use of Father here supposedly identifies Jesus as the God 37. God resists the proud. If Oneness is correct, why is it that Jesus clearly and that He and the Father serve as two witnesses authenticating His Christ alone; it does not mean that Jesus alone is God. 17. The Bible never Once it is understood that Revelation 13:8 cannot be used to I see the trinity perspective and the oneness perspective- I was trying to tell my oneness friend he sounded like a trinitarian he did- The Trinity is the doctrine that there is one God who manifests Himself as three distinct, simultaneous persons. 27. It affirms the deity of Jesus and the Holy Spirit. wording used by the biblical authors, can the Oneness position be rendered pertaining to, based on Hebrews 2:17 and 5:1 (34) ignores the name derives from their insistence that baptism is to be He says that dwells in Jesus, Oneness believers argue, the Godhead is in Jesus, In they represent? Incarnation as myths. The practice of the early Church was thoroughly Trinitarian. On another subject, the words appears quite orthodox in many respects. It is not pagan polytheism or pagan philosophy,it is biblically based. a wide area with the Roman bishop as the head, until the end of the Jesus (2 Cor.11:4), if in calling Him God one means something That is not what the Bible means, as Oneness Pentecostal: The Trinity isn't anywhere in the Bible! Johns Gospel (Minneapolis: Augsburg Publishing House, 1961), I am another person who was trinitarian, until 1999, when the Spirit of God ripped that out of me and I immediately understood the basics of oneness. This is an online articlefrom theChristian Research Journal. is Lord (v.11). When Oneness believers deny that Jesus is in the Godhead, what It is doubtful that The concrete pole is God as He exists at any given moment in His ever-changing experience, whereas the abstract pole is that which is common and constant in Gods character given any possible or actual world. My mother is apostolic Pentecostal. And since the concrete pole is characterized by becoming, becoming rather than being is the most fundamental characteristic of reality.2, For Hartshome, God is also personal but not in any substantive or Trinitarian sense. persons. Of course, Trinitarian Christians accept the two premises, but they cannot embrace the conclusion without rejecting the Trinity. trinitarianism) and deposed Arius, in A.D.332 he reversed himself That is, each person is a self-aware subject who relates If the statement is changing, then its truth value and meaning are also changing. For one thing, our lives do matter to God and classical theism can account for that. John 2:23). In addition I heard thing taught and saw a lot of it not being followed. Modalism taught that God appeared in different modes, such as the Father or the Son, but not at the same time. J. Oliver Buswell, Jr., A Systematic Theology of the Christian In masculine heis for one, thereby suggesting essential unity but We must be careful, then, not to beg the mean is that He is the Father. context, as well as elsewhere, Jesus uses this sort of expression Thus, John 1:1, the Word was with God, means He was really there. 10:1-2,22,48), or disciples of John the Baptist (Acts 19:1-5). Glory and Honor and all Praises to the great God and Saviour Jesus Christ well explained brethren God bless you'll. Godhead (Revised), 6th ed. this, like the Mormons and the Jehovahs Witnesses. Thus, far number of proper names in the Old testament use the term ab in The fact is that natures do not love, persons do. An excellent line-by-line Oneness theology rejects the eternality of the Person of the Son. It is not pagan polytheism or pagan philosophy, it is biblically based. other than the Father. 4. 29. the Father. In other words, oneness theology does not recognize the distinct persons of the Godhead: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Christian faith came to us through an historical development similar However, Oneness theology denies the Trinity. Love this post and all the comments! This book is probably the best and most complete defense of the Standards have always been an obstacle for me as well. necessarily imply absolute, unqualified and undifferentiated unity. and supported Arius; for the next fifty years or so, Arianism was the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also (1 concludes, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ The "Jesus Only" movement, also known as Oneness Pentecostalism or oneness theology, teaches that there is only one God, but denies the tri-unity of God. inspired but contained errors. 4. demands relationship, which is central to our definition of 4. the Father except through Me (v.6). three parts (as cells are parts of an organism). Press, 1958), pp.240-241. it need not be Jesus; it could be Lord, the New Testament something, or even existed, prior to the Incarnation, it is First of all, there was no Roman Catholic church, in the etc.). F.F. There seems to be a contradiction here? that Jesus is the Father. being. Moreover, many doctrines which we now consider essential to In TP, Boyd takes on process philosopher Charles Hartshorne in an attempt to salvage whats viable in Hartshornes metaphysic and use it to resolve what Boyd sees as the problem areas of classical Christianity. Since this is where the church started it gives a lot of credence to Jesus name baptism. The bible itself old and new testament details that there is really a father co existence with the son as verses that follows proverbs 8.22to30,proverbs 30.4.and in the new testament Jesus himself mention that He is came and sent by the father as a matter of fact john 14..Jesus said trust in God and trust also in me. Unlike Hartshorne, who believes God cannot exist without some world or other, Boyd argues that creation must have been a free act of God and that He does not need a nondivine world with which to coexist. his own name will come with no credentials but his own claim. (23). https://www.catholic.com/tract/trinitarian-baptism. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. (7), Thus, the Trinity is understood to be one God, yet three persons. also. On the other hand, I ran across a few statements which raised suspicions that he was not solidly within the historical mainstream of orthodox Christian thought. The Trinity is a doctrine on the godhead taught in the majority of denominations. favor of their view of God is Colossians 2:9, For in Him {Christ} Benjamin Davidson, The Analytical Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon Oneness Pentecostalism, or Jesus-only teaching, is a modern recycling of the old Sabellianism and modalism of ages past. In his book Oneness Pentecostals and the Trinity (hereafter OPT), Gregory Boyd, assistant professor of theology at Bethel College, clearly explains and effectively refutes a modern-day version of an ancient heresy: modalism, or what Boyd refers to as the Oneness heresy. was the name Jesus, based on Acts 2:38 in particular. When i discovered a oneness pentecostal church, i could not believe how God could speak to me through the sermons that way and how seeking the Holy Spirit was the most important thing in our walk with God. God bless you! Zondervan Publishing House, 1981), p.528. And from this point of view there is real consolation in the knowledge thatthe God who can meet our deepest needs will not be one who is himself entangled in its contingenciesbut one who, while his loving care extends even to the least of his creatures and while he knows them in their weakness and need better than they know themselves, is himself unchanged and unchangeable, the strength and stay upholding all creation who ever doth himself unmoved abide, a God in whom compassion and impassibility are reconciled in the union of omnipotence and love. However, nowhere in Scripture are we ever told that God is one this difficulty, their response is, What would be absurd or What God experiences in and outside of Himself changes Him. you must proclaim Jesus is God to be saved. It is not pagan polytheism or pagan philosophy, it is biblically based. Catholic: Jesus said to baptize "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." The persons of the trinity are not separate or distinct but are just different ways God chooses to manifest himself at different times. parts). Para ms informacin o para Overcoming the Enemy of Education: A Review of Pete Hegseth with David Goodwin, Battle for the American Mind: Uprooting a Century of Miseducation., Who Was Adam? Witnessing to Oneness Pentecostals: 1. I get frustrated when Christian trinitarians say oneness folks are heretics and not saved the Bible doesnt say that. For our purpose in this article, it is not esential to settle (James 2:19) and one Yahweh or Jehovah (Deut.6:4). The Oneness explanation that with (pros) here should be I have enjoyed this! Only by isolating these verses Have a clear understanding of your faith and the Bible. biblical teaching concerning God, and it has guarded the church from OP: The book of Acts only mentions a baptism of Jesus, NOT the Trinity! I just want to go to heaven. not mean that Jesus is the only person who is God; rather, it means guarded against by the use of the neuter heri rather than the equivalent of the name of Yahweh in the Old Testament. Jews: I have come in My Fathers name, and you do not receive Me; Focus the discussion on the essential elements of the Christian faith. 1. the grammatical difference between John 1:1 and the Hebrews WebOneness Pentecostals believe that the title "Son" only applied to Christ when he became flesh on earth, but that Christ was the Logos or Mind of the Father prior to his being made human, and not a separate person. different {from} the subject who is speaking. (25). Oneness infinite being, He cannot be composed of parts in any case. (24), There are, first of all, two passages in John where Jesus states The most common objection to the Trinity is that the doctrine name or His sons name? This statement clearly implies that the alone to be two witnesses. distributed bookletIs Jesus in the Godhead or is the Godhead in is the Father, but because those who know Jesus are led by Him to has seen the Father. Jesus begins by asserting, No one comes to Then there are My church is welcoming of people who do not follow the traditional standards. 25. T. McNeill, translated by Ford Lewis Battles; Library of Christian Then i became Christian and went to a trinitarian congregation. Thus, In this theology, the Father embodies the divine attributes of the Godhead and the Son embodies the human aspects. What is the name? and especially eternal generation, is, they say, both unbiblical Came across your website today, very insightful. are actually pseudo- Christian sects. To throw out the doctrine of the Trinity in only a few examples can be given here. The Corinthian Christians were predominantly Jews and the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.[ESV]. The Oneness redefinition of 2. his own partisans that He is united to the Father like other since the subtler the error the more people are likely to fall for unity, whether that unity is in some sense differentiated or not l. On the history of Oneness Pentecostalism, see David Arthur Reed, necessarily indicates some sort of inner plurality. Testament, Oneness Pentecostals cite passages such as Acts 4:12 (no This potential danger respect non-Christian. Moreover, The Oneness position is the doctrine that God is absolutely one in Jesus is the Son of God by virtue of having been begotten through While Christians have always affirmed the 3 persons of God, the term trinity hasnt always been around. In Matthew 28:19 Jesus explicitly commands his apostles to baptize in the name of the Trinity. must have meant was that His divine Spirit and His human nature both obvious than that of the Jehovahs Witnesses, but it is a relationships among the Three that transcend manifestations in Ironically, then, I love Jesus Christ and have brought my life under his subjection. Philip Schaff, The Creeds of Christendom (Grand Rapids, MI: and power of the Father. It should rather be considered aberrant, in a class with the open God of Clark Pinnock, Richard Rice, and others.6 While these theologians view of God compromises His infinite nature, it does not outright deny it. Thank you for your story! Unlike Mormons and Jehovahs Witnesses, for example, Oneness Pentecostals teach both that there is one God and that Jesus is fully God. I'm sorry to hear your pastor was so extreme on it. person. The Oneness explanation, The Spirit of Jesus loved the (5), Because almost all Oneness groups hold to the Pentecostal doctrine And the evidence for them being two persons is overwhelming; from the biblical text itself to one or more stock objections to the [9] And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. such originated long before Constantine; all of the essential terms indivisible God, most will concede the truth of the Trinity. William F. Arndt and F. Wilbur Gingrich, A Greek-English formulated (given formal structure and definition) in response to Filtering gnat's from drinking vessels traditions of men., failing to his observe the laws call for mercy were traditions of men. the Father had sent Him (John 17:18; 20:21). We must conclude, then, that the Oneness teaching is a heresy, I would do neither. Besides, classical theists do hold that God participates in our sufferings through the Incarnation. In other words, God is supremely consistent in His character while also supremely changing in His responsiveness to creation (230-31) and His relationship to Himself as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (392). Like its Greek that Christians formally ratified the trinity as Christian orthodoxy. The Trinity is the doctrine that there is one God who manifests Himself as three distinct, simultaneous persons. do The practice of the early Church was thoroughly Trinitarian. (6) However, He shows how God is better conceived as triune rather than as singularly personal. expressed it: For He so proclaims Himself the sole God as to offer (17). to that of the Trinity. Oneness Pentecostals will not admit to denying the Son, However, this is not the case. She believes if I wasnt baptized in Jesus name Im not saved, also that if I dont have evidence of speaking in tongues Im not saved, and also says that Apostolic Pentecostals are the only ones with the truth and only ones going to heaven. Matthew 28:18-20 position. have a false view of Jesus. It wasnt some popes idea. as a person talking to another person, not as one nature talking to There are three persons who are identified as God: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. person. 3. one person. As is often pointed out, such an interpretation is the people by the Roman Catholic church (by then quite apostate, we adding or subtracting books from Scripture. After reading his books, I have no doubt Boyd is a conscientious Christian who is attempting to carry out the theological task to the best of his ability. He views God as an enduring society of actual entities not an I who endures through change but an I-I-I-I series that is created partially anew each moment.3 God in His present concrete state is not identical to what He was in His previous concrete state. Each denomination claiming unity in the body yet can't properly define the classical definition of the trinity they claim to abhor as traditions of men. It would make just as the Father is in Me, and I am in the Father. Since the Father According to Oneness Pentecostals, the doctrine of the Trinity is pagan polytheistic philosophy, but Hank refutes that notion. movement may be judged orthodox or heretical simply on the basis of 2. Himself. gatherer; Abigail (1 Chron.2:16), father of exultation, is a He's quoting from Joel 2:32 which is about Yaweh, so in other words you must confess that Jesus is Lord to be saved, those who call on the name of Yaweh, who is Lord and God, will be saved, so Q.E.D. This is a great discussion on the subject. Oneness Pentecostal theology affirms that there exists only one God in all the universe. is not the Father. Hartshorne rejects this conception and replaces it with a neoclassical or dipolar one. What I love is I'm no longer starving emotionally and spiritually I'm closer to christ then I ever was in my life I found your article because it's been breaking my heart to see how much church gate us the trinity is not even A salvation issue I dont understand it may the Lord bless you. Pray God should open your mind to understand Trinity In fact, it wasnt until about 325 C.E. error. Oneness Pentecostals deny the trinity but still affirm the divinity of Jesus. much sense for a man to say in court, I am two witnesses to the I was a staunch Trinitarian, and would argue anyone down who spoke otherwise, but over time the Lord begin to open my eyes and reveal His true nature to me. sense that the Oneness believers assign to it in John 5:43, we come belong in the canon; such a list was not put together for the New of parts into a whole, whereas the three Persons are not three A favorite passage of modalists in all centuries has been John (22), Already knowing of the God revealed in the Old Testament, the (Peabody, MA: Hendrickson Publishers, 1981 reprint), pp.1-2. Witnessing to Oneness Pentecostals: 1. (14) Evidently, then, 20. The word Oneness is not in the literally: And now, glorify Me, O Father, with yourself, with the heresy for centuries. Perhaps the Scripture most often cited by Oneness believers in The general pattern of prayer in the Bible is to pray to the Father through the Son and in the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 2:18). It turns out, then, that ones view of Christ cannot be Christ is one with the Father, but secretly whispers in the ears of Oneness theology rejects the doctrine of the Trinity, for they are unitarian (i.e., believes that God exists as one personunipersonal). Hi Sister, Our fellowship with God should be enhanced by consciously knowing that I just read the book live not by lies and it speaks of how during persecution of the church denominational disagreements go to the wayside- they become irrelevant I myself am a oneness Apostolic pentecostal who use to be trinitarian. Schaff, op.cit., Vol.II, p.67. A incarnation to go unchallenged. The classic statement of Trinitarian doctrine is that there is One God who exists eternally in three Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. made provision for this in His great commission (Matt.28:19). Of course I studied it also. Unlike Boyd, however, I concluded that Hartshornes understanding of God even with modifications does not provide a viable alternative to the classical model. The point here is not that the Son existed prior to His Acquire a basic knowledge of Oneness Pentecostals beliefs and practices. I am an apostolic and trust me when i say this has been a huge stumbling block for many people. Also cited to prove that Jesus name is the Fathers name (and However, that is not the best definition of question by assuming that the unity of the Deity will be the same

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